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  • S SBW1

    @Kirwan I can understand that his defence maybe be the most questionable aspect of his game, in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed. It was a very tactical decision to rest him for so much of last season, in particular the EOYT. Had he toured we would probably have gone through unbeaten and had a target on our heads. The only reason he hasn't been up for player of the year is purely based on timing. Dude is an absolute weapon. Also nice to see him assisting Macca's development, who also looks promising.

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    @SBW1 said in Crusaders v Force:

    @Kirwan I can understand that his defence maybe be the most questionable aspect of his game, in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed. It was a very tactical decision to rest him for so much of last season, in particular the EOYT. Had he toured we would probably have gone through unbeaten and had a target on our heads. The only reason he hasn't been up for player of the year is purely based on timing. Dude is an absolute weapon. Also nice to see him assisting Macca's development, who also looks promising.

    Hey look, admire the enthusiasm - particularly the bits where you don't let reality get in the way.

    I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas, Rieko Ioanes, Caleb Clarkes in that backline.

    As for him being rested, he's been unwell and/or injured. Nothing tactical about bad luck.

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      @SBW1 said in Crusaders v Force:

      @Kirwan I can understand that his defence maybe be the most questionable aspect of his game, in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed. It was a very tactical decision to rest him for so much of last season, in particular the EOYT. Had he toured we would probably have gone through unbeaten and had a target on our heads. The only reason he hasn't been up for player of the year is purely based on timing. Dude is an absolute weapon. Also nice to see him assisting Macca's development, who also looks promising.

      Hey look, admire the enthusiasm - particularly the bits where you don't let reality get in the way.

      I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas, Rieko Ioanes, Caleb Clarkes in that backline.

      As for him being rested, he's been unwell and/or injured. Nothing tactical about bad luck.

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      @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

      @SBW1 said in Crusaders v Force:

      @Kirwan I can understand that his defence maybe be the most questionable aspect of his game, in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed. It was a very tactical decision to rest him for so much of last season, in particular the EOYT. Had he toured we would probably have gone through unbeaten and had a target on our heads. The only reason he hasn't been up for player of the year is purely based on timing. Dude is an absolute weapon. Also nice to see him assisting Macca's development, who also looks promising.

      Hey look, admire the enthusiasm - particularly the bits where you don't let reality get in the way.

      I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas, Rieko Ioanes, Caleb Clarkes in that backline.

      Mounga (9 T) 370 points in 44 games, 28 years old https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/richie-mounga/
      R Ioane (33 T) 165 points in 59 games, 26 years old
      https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/rieko-ioane/
      C Clarke (4 T) 20 points in 15 games, 24 years old
      https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/caleb-clarke-2/
      Jordan (21 T) 105 points in 21 games, 25 years old
      https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/will-jordan/

      I'm not a Crusaders supporter but at AB level I don't think I am alone in suggesting Jordan has been more consistently a matchwinner than the others you mentioned. Perhaps Ioane would have a chance against him at wing but I don't have his wing only-playing stats.
      Perhaps a non-Blues and non-Crusaders fan would like to comment?

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      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

        @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

        @SBW1 said in Crusaders v Force:

        @Kirwan I can understand that his defence maybe be the most questionable aspect of his game, in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed. It was a very tactical decision to rest him for so much of last season, in particular the EOYT. Had he toured we would probably have gone through unbeaten and had a target on our heads. The only reason he hasn't been up for player of the year is purely based on timing. Dude is an absolute weapon. Also nice to see him assisting Macca's development, who also looks promising.

        Hey look, admire the enthusiasm - particularly the bits where you don't let reality get in the way.

        I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas, Rieko Ioanes, Caleb Clarkes in that backline.

        Mounga (9 T) 370 points in 44 games, 28 years old https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/richie-mounga/
        R Ioane (33 T) 165 points in 59 games, 26 years old
        https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/rieko-ioane/
        C Clarke (4 T) 20 points in 15 games, 24 years old
        https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/caleb-clarke-2/
        Jordan (21 T) 105 points in 21 games, 25 years old
        https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/will-jordan/

        I'm not a Crusaders supporter but at AB level I don't think I am alone in suggesting Jordan has been more consistently a matchwinner than the others you mentioned. Perhaps Ioane would have a chance against him at wing but I don't have his wing only-playing stats.
        Perhaps a non-Blues and non-Crusaders fan would like to comment?

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        @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

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          @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

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          @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

          @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

          Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

          "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
          I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

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          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

            @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

            @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

            Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

            "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
            I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

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            @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

            @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

            @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

            Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

            "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
            I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

            Going to take issue with you there. But not probably explain it well ...

            Sevu Reece scores incredibly jammy tries. The ball bounces in weird ways so often for him, so bloody often I've determined they're not actually jammy. He just makes the ball bounce weirdly towards wherever he runs.

            But Jordan is different.

            Jordan, in my opinion, creates opportunities. The ball doesn't just bounce in his direction, he runs to where the ball and the chances are going to be.

            Not sure if I've explained that well... or at all ..

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              @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

              @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

              @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

              Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

              "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
              I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

              Going to take issue with you there. But not probably explain it well ...

              Sevu Reece scores incredibly jammy tries. The ball bounces in weird ways so often for him, so bloody often I've determined they're not actually jammy. He just makes the ball bounce weirdly towards wherever he runs.

              But Jordan is different.

              Jordan, in my opinion, creates opportunities. The ball doesn't just bounce in his direction, he runs to where the ball and the chances are going to be.

              Not sure if I've explained that well... or at all ..

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              @booboo said in Crusaders v Force:

              @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

              @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

              @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

              Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

              "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
              I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

              Going to take issue with you there. But not probably explain it well ...

              Sevu Reece scores incredibly jammy tries. The ball bounces in weird ways so often for him, so bloody often I've determined they're not actually jammy. He just makes the ball bounce weirdly towards wherever he runs.

              But Jordan is different.

              Jordan, in my opinion, creates opportunities. The ball doesn't just bounce in his direction, he runs to where the ball and the chances are going to be.

              Not sure if I've explained that well... or at all ..

              um Kirwan said jammy not me.
              I agree with you, Jordan creates things.

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              • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                @booboo said in Crusaders v Force:

                @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

                Going to take issue with you there. But not probably explain it well ...

                Sevu Reece scores incredibly jammy tries. The ball bounces in weird ways so often for him, so bloody often I've determined they're not actually jammy. He just makes the ball bounce weirdly towards wherever he runs.

                But Jordan is different.

                Jordan, in my opinion, creates opportunities. The ball doesn't just bounce in his direction, he runs to where the ball and the chances are going to be.

                Not sure if I've explained that well... or at all ..

                um Kirwan said jammy not me.
                I agree with you, Jordan creates things.

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                @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                @booboo said in Crusaders v Force:

                @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

                Going to take issue with you there. But not probably explain it well ...

                Sevu Reece scores incredibly jammy tries. The ball bounces in weird ways so often for him, so bloody often I've determined they're not actually jammy. He just makes the ball bounce weirdly towards wherever he runs.

                But Jordan is different.

                Jordan, in my opinion, creates opportunities. The ball doesn't just bounce in his direction, he runs to where the ball and the chances are going to be.

                Not sure if I've explained that well... or at all ..

                um Kirwan said jammy not me.
                I agree with you, Jordan creates things.

                Oh yeah

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                • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                  @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                  @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                  Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                  "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                  I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

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                  @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                  @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                  @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                  Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                  "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                  I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

                  Well we have veered off in to strange territory here, especially when I compliment Jordan for scoring what I call jammy trys, but another way to say that is to create opportunities out of nothing. He has a comical ability to have the ball bounce to him in a freakish way.

                  I repeat, that's a compliment.

                  I was just taking issue with the comment "in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed".

                  This has turned into a comparison of try scoring rates, which I admit did interest me so I took a pass through some of the current/recent backs. I filtered out tier2 and Scotland, because five trys against Tonga means absolutely nothing.

                  Lowest was Ritchie, 5 trys from 36 games against top sides.

                  Next was Caleb; 3 from 13.

                  Jordie has 13 from 38.

                  Beauden has 33 from 97

                  Jordan has 11 from 17

                  And top was Rieko with 29 from 50 (top because a lot tests and more trys, even though the ratio is the same).

                  So surprised how low Ritchie and Caleb were, it "feels" like both should be higher. But this is where you get in to that murky "gamebreaking ability". How many last passes does Ritchie (and even CC after a break) make?

                  But in short, I was right about Rieko being more of a matchwinner so far than Jordan. He might catch up, he might not.

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                    @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                    @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                    @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                    Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                    "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                    I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

                    Well we have veered off in to strange territory here, especially when I compliment Jordan for scoring what I call jammy trys, but another way to say that is to create opportunities out of nothing. He has a comical ability to have the ball bounce to him in a freakish way.

                    I repeat, that's a compliment.

                    I was just taking issue with the comment "in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed".

                    This has turned into a comparison of try scoring rates, which I admit did interest me so I took a pass through some of the current/recent backs. I filtered out tier2 and Scotland, because five trys against Tonga means absolutely nothing.

                    Lowest was Ritchie, 5 trys from 36 games against top sides.

                    Next was Caleb; 3 from 13.

                    Jordie has 13 from 38.

                    Beauden has 33 from 97

                    Jordan has 11 from 17

                    And top was Rieko with 29 from 50 (top because a lot tests and more trys, even though the ratio is the same).

                    So surprised how low Ritchie and Caleb were, it "feels" like both should be higher. But this is where you get in to that murky "gamebreaking ability". How many last passes does Ritchie (and even CC after a break) make?

                    But in short, I was right about Rieko being more of a matchwinner so far than Jordan. He might catch up, he might not.

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                    @Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                    @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                    @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                    @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                    Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                    "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                    I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

                    Well we have veered off in to strange territory here, especially when I compliment Jordan for scoring what I call jammy trys, but another way to say that is to create opportunities out of nothing. He has a comical ability to have the ball bounce to him in a freakish way.

                    I repeat, that's a compliment.

                    I was just taking issue with the comment "in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed".

                    This has turned into a comparison of try scoring rates, which I admit did interest me so I took a pass through some of the current/recent backs. I filtered out tier2 and Scotland, because five trys against Tonga means absolutely nothing.

                    Lowest was Ritchie, 5 trys from 36 games against top sides.

                    Next was Caleb; 3 from 13.

                    Jordie has 13 from 38.

                    Beauden has 33 from 97

                    Jordan has 11 from 17

                    And top was Rieko with 29 from 50 (top because a lot tests and more trys, even though the ratio is the same).

                    So surprised how low Ritchie and Caleb were, it "feels" like both should be higher. But this is where you get in to that murky "gamebreaking ability". How many last passes does Ritchie (and even CC after a break) make?

                    But in short, I was right about Rieko being more of a matchwinner so far than Jordan. He might catch up, he might not.

                    Is this the same Scotland that’s currently ranked ahead of England, Australia, Argentina and Wales ?

                    Christian Cullen will be devastated his amazing quartet in his second match have been discarded like that.

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                      @Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                      @nostrildamus said in Crusaders v Force:

                      @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                      @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                      Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                      "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                      I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

                      Well we have veered off in to strange territory here, especially when I compliment Jordan for scoring what I call jammy trys, but another way to say that is to create opportunities out of nothing. He has a comical ability to have the ball bounce to him in a freakish way.

                      I repeat, that's a compliment.

                      I was just taking issue with the comment "in terms of pure gamebreaking ability, he is pretty much unsurpassed".

                      This has turned into a comparison of try scoring rates, which I admit did interest me so I took a pass through some of the current/recent backs. I filtered out tier2 and Scotland, because five trys against Tonga means absolutely nothing.

                      Lowest was Ritchie, 5 trys from 36 games against top sides.

                      Next was Caleb; 3 from 13.

                      Jordie has 13 from 38.

                      Beauden has 33 from 97

                      Jordan has 11 from 17

                      And top was Rieko with 29 from 50 (top because a lot tests and more trys, even though the ratio is the same).

                      So surprised how low Ritchie and Caleb were, it "feels" like both should be higher. But this is where you get in to that murky "gamebreaking ability". How many last passes does Ritchie (and even CC after a break) make?

                      But in short, I was right about Rieko being more of a matchwinner so far than Jordan. He might catch up, he might not.

                      Is this the same Scotland that’s currently ranked ahead of England, Australia, Argentina and Wales ?

                      Christian Cullen will be devastated his amazing quartet in his second match have been discarded like that.

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                      @MN5 My cutoff for shit teams like Scotland was if they had ever beaten the All Blacks. So I counted Argentina and dropped the haggis munchers.

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                        @MN5 My cutoff for shit teams like Scotland was if they had ever beaten the All Blacks. So I counted Argentina and dropped the haggis munchers.

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                          @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Force:

                          @nostrildamus did you seriously compare a goalkickers points total with a centre/wing?

                          Actually, tries too. You may have missed that. But you are the one to mention Richie.

                          "I'm a big fan of Jordan, he scores incredibly jammy trys but it's still early for him and he makes a lot of mistakes. He's at most on par with the Richie Moungas,"
                          I'd rather not. I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes against Richie if I have too, and, again, you compared him, but I don't have any numbers - do you?

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                          @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                          I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                          Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                          Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                          STill, Foster's going to Foster right

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                            @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                            I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                            Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                            Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                            STill, Foster's going to Foster right

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                            @nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                            @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                            I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                            Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                            Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                            STill, Foster's going to Foster right

                            Jordan? I'd start him on the right wing if fit, Telea can keep him and Clarke honest, and whoever drops of form can watch him play instead. Telea makes similar mistakes to Jordan (why I don't want WJ as fullback).

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                                @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                                Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                                Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                                STill, Foster's going to Foster right

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                                @nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                                Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                                Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                                STill, Foster's going to Foster right

                                That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
                                I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
                                Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
                                At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
                                Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.

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                                  @SBW1 You know who he reminds me of? Doug Howlett.

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                                    @SBW1 You know who he reminds me of? Doug Howlett.

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                                    @Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                    @SBW1 You know who he reminds me of? Doug Howlett.

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                                      @nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

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                                      I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                                      Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                                      Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                                      STill, Foster's going to Foster right

                                      That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
                                      I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
                                      Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
                                      At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
                                      Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.

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                                      @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                      @nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                      @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                      I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                                      Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                                      Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                                      STill, Foster's going to Foster right

                                      That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
                                      I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
                                      Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
                                      At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
                                      Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.

                                      What? You are the one who changed the criteria, I was following your lead. I said he was at best on par with others in the backline and you responded with the points scored (with just one player I mentioned), then asked for numbers.

                                      Complaining about then getting numbers is a bit dickish.

                                      And my god, how many years does he have to play centre before people accept that's his position? Getting weird now.

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                                        @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        @nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                                        Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                                        Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                                        STill, Foster's going to Foster right

                                        That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
                                        I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
                                        Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
                                        At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
                                        Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.

                                        What? You are the one who changed the criteria, I was following your lead. I said he was at best on par with others in the backline and you responded with the points scored (with just one player I mentioned), then asked for numbers.

                                        Complaining about then getting numbers is a bit dickish.

                                        And my god, how many years does he have to play centre before people accept that's his position? Getting weird now.

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                                        @Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        @nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        @nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:

                                        I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes

                                        Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.

                                        Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.

                                        STill, Foster's going to Foster right

                                        That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
                                        I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
                                        Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
                                        At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
                                        Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.

                                        What? You are the one who changed the criteria, I was following your lead. I said he was at best on par with others in the backline and you responded with the points scored (with just one player I mentioned), then asked for numbers.

                                        Complaining about then getting numbers is a bit dickish.

                                        Any my god, how many years does he have to play centre before people accept that's his position? Getting weird now.

                                        You decided who counts as opposition and which games to consider and that Scotland (who nearly beat the ABs) was part of the Tier 2 teams. Who can still threaten to beat the ABs by the way:

                                        filtered out tier2 and Scotland, because five trys against Tonga means absolutely nothing.
                                        

                                        And

                                        And top was Rieko with 29 from 50 (top because a lot tests and more trys, even though the ratio is the same).
                                        

                                        Rieko played a lot more, sure, for AB coaches who weren't Foster.

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                                          every time i think we have created the dumbest thread ever

                                          we find a new low

                                          Will jordan is pretty fucking good
                                          yeah, well you don't think he's good enough
                                          what?
                                          Reiko something!
                                          Foster derp!

                                          jesus shit for all the talk about how much people love Super Rugby this year we do spend a lot more time talking about dumb dumb AB shit.

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