Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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@nostrildamus said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
It really does suck to follow an entire tournament and see it after four months deliver a duff outcome.
You really surprise me. It was a great, tense game right up to the end. Both sides had great moments and great tackling, big collisions.
The Crusaders might have made less inventive metres but they also made less mistakes.Oh and (to another subthread/poster) I also thought the Chiefs contained Leicester pretty well. Could be a 7 or 8 but not a 9 for me. I also thought Jordan wasn't the best 15 on the park and that Christie was effective but less so than usual.
I'm not sure that ALB played badly, stupidly at key points or was just unlucky, but he was very lucky not to get red. No care taken.
The Brumbies semi had the tension, without the result being a travesty.
Perhaps I'm too sentimental in wanting the best team to be crowned champion?!
Chiefs mistakes were mainly after missed forward pass at end of H1, and when finding themselves down 22-20 instead of up 20-13 (at worst). Had Jesters been 13 -20 with 15 to play they'd have had to chance their arm, and the way the Chiefs had played to then it was almost inevitable mistakes would have arisen.
Missed forward pass was sliding doors moment.
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Chiefs mistakes were mainly after missed forward pass, and when finding themselves down 22-20 instead of up 20-13 (at worst). Had Jesters been 13 -20 with 15 to play they'd have had to chance their arm, and the way the Chiefs had played to ten it was almost inevitable mistakes would have arisen.
Missed forward pass was sliding doors moment.
I don't disagree much with that. I'd say a major factor though was that Crusaders seemed to play the ref better. That forward pass was damn obvious, yes.
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@kev said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Something that hasn’t been mentioned was Luke Jacobsens steal off Will Jordon at 21 mins. Pretty clear that Will got his knees to the ground before steal completed. Shortly after at 22 mins the Chiefs get their 1st try.
That’s the way rugby is. Small margins.
I don't think it's that clear cut. The hit semi dislodges the ball. Looks a 50/50.
@KiwiMurph I mentioned it at the time, on another day it is called, Saturday it wasnt.
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I revoke my ref whinge to give the 'saders the congratulations they deserve.
Nothing to do with being more magnanimous or anything, just that two days I don't have that empty feeling of falling out of love with rugby I have after big stupid decisons before. I guess I've just accepted that referee's are a huge part of the game, and you need to adapt. We clearly didn't.
Robertson bodes well for the All Blacks. And that's all I really care about these days.
Unbelievable period of dominance from the Cantab's. Would be something worth celebrating if I didn't have a bunch of white trash relatives down there acting like they just won the fucking lottery and the first thing they did was buy a plane to fly over the rest of NZ telling them how great they are. fluffybunnies.
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It's a shame that that try has been caught up in the forward pass debate, I thought that it was a great example of the positive aspects of mauling. The crusaders manage to draw in so many players and get them out of the way for Jordan to be put in a great spot to make a nice run. If you'd just gone off the top straightaway I don't think that move works as well.
Shades of the victory in 2008 with a fairy tale send off for Deans, Thorne and a couple of other stalwarts.
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All the Crusaders know they have another trophy 7 in a row 14 in total and some people are bitter and twisted,
Just more fuel to win another next year@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
All the Crusaders know they have another trophy 7 in a row 14 in total and some people are bitter and twisted,
Just more fuel to win another next yearThey are to be congratulated on this stunning achievement, but it says an awful lot about the competition. None of it flattering.
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Team of the final:
Williams/Samisoni/Dyer/Scooter/Whitelock/Cane/PGS/Jacobson/Weber/DMac/Goodhue/Nankivell/Leicester F/Narawa/Stevenson.
BTW wouldn't make a bad AB selection!
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Team of the final:
Williams/Samisoni/Dyer/Scooter/Whitelock/Cane/PGS/Jacobson/Weber/DMac/Goodhue/Nankivell/Leicester F/Narawa/Stevenson.
BTW wouldn't make a bad AB selection!
In my opinion Lio-Willie had a better game than Pita Gus
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Team of the final:
Williams/Samisoni/Dyer/Scooter/Whitelock/Cane/PGS/Jacobson/Weber/DMac/Goodhue/Nankivell/Leicester F/Narawa/Stevenson.
BTW wouldn't make a bad AB selection!
In my opinion Lio-Willie had a better game than Pita Gus
@FakatavaABXV said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Team of the final:
Williams/Samisoni/Dyer/Scooter/Whitelock/Cane/PGS/Jacobson/Weber/DMac/Goodhue/Nankivell/Leicester F/Narawa/Stevenson.
BTW wouldn't make a bad AB selection!
In my opinion Lio-Willie had a better game than Pita Gus
Different positions. PGS played at 6 and Christian Lio-Willie played at No. 8.
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3 yellow cards and a disallowed try cost the Chiefs dearly.
In saying that if Dmac had slotted the kick the same way he did the week before it would have been a different outcome.
Crusaders took their opportunities and were clinical as they always are.
1 meter back and the try would have been allowed, a couple meters more on the kick and the Chiefs would have won.
Was the one that got away really, disappointing end to the season.
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
All the Crusaders know they have another trophy 7 in a row 14 in total and some people are bitter and twisted,
Just more fuel to win another next yearThey are to be congratulated on this stunning achievement, but it says an awful lot about the competition. None of it flattering.
Maybe so but the Crusaders can only do their job which is to win the comp.
They don’t control the workings of the comp how it is formed selected etc.
Maybe they just proved with 8 ABs out of the final it is the enviroment not always the cattle that determine a champion side. -
3 yellow cards and a disallowed try cost the Chiefs dearly.
In saying that if Dmac had slotted the kick the same way he did the week before it would have been a different outcome.
Crusaders took their opportunities and were clinical as they always are.
1 meter back and the try would have been allowed, a couple meters more on the kick and the Chiefs would have won.
Was the one that got away really, disappointing end to the season.
@Windows97 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
In saying that if Dmac had slotted the kick the same way he did the week before it would have been a different outcome.
was that bloody carnt jesus that fcuked that up..
I swear as Dmac pointed towards the posts there was a slight wind behind him. In the time it took him to tee it up it swung around and lifted from the south kicking straight into it
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Maybe so but the Crusaders can only do their job which is to win the comp.
They don’t control the workings of the comp how it is formed selected etc.
Maybe they just proved with 8 ABs out of the final it is the enviroment not always the cattle that determine a champion side.@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Maybe so but the Crusaders can only do their job which is to win the comp.
They don’t control the workings of the comp how it is formed selected etc.
Maybe they just proved with 8 ABs out of the final it is the enviroment not always the cattle that determine a champion side.Cattle still contained 9 current ABs in the starting 15. And another a recent AB. If coaches did it with 3 or 4 ABs would agree. And how many were missing from the starting 15. 2 or 3. And the replacements were a high enough std. Not poor
Most team have injuries. Crusader's are lucky to have attracted good backups. That other teams can struggle to do this for obvious reasons. Top teams always find attracting quality players easier
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Maybe so but the Crusaders can only do their job which is to win the comp.
They don’t control the workings of the comp how it is formed selected etc.
Maybe they just proved with 8 ABs out of the final it is the enviroment not always the cattle that determine a champion side.Cattle still contained 9 current ABs in the starting 15. And another a recent AB. If coaches did it with 3 or 4 ABs would agree. And how many were missing from the starting 15. 2 or 3. And the replacements were a high enough std. Not poor
Most team have injuries. Crusader's are lucky to have attracted good backups. That other teams can struggle to do this for obvious reasons. Top teams always find attracting quality players easier
@Winger said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Cattle still contained 9 current ABs in the starting 15. And another a recent AB. If coaches did it with 3 or 4 ABs would agree. And how many were missing from the starting 15. 2 or 3. And the replacements were a high enough std. Not poorTo be fair, two of those 9 have never pulled on a black jersey…
Most team have injuries. Crusader's are lucky to have attracted good backups. That other teams can struggle to do this for obvious reasons. Top teams always find attracting quality players easier
They also have a knack of turning lesser knowns into something because of what’s happening both on and off the field.
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...kind of feel like i need to post just because its the final.
only managed to watch parts of the first half, didn't get back to the clubrooms until nearly 6 (melbourne time) so it was already half time, we put it on delayed. By half time watching i was shattered so headed home but saw the score pop up on the socials so lost the urgency to watch the rest on sat
will watch a replay when get the chance
As expected the Saders got up for the games that matter, its just part of the culture
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The online abuse that Ben Okeefe is getting is horrendous, death threats even
Time for the Chiefs as an organisation to get on the front foot and address this .
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that. -
The online abuse that Ben Okeefe is getting is horrendous, death threats even
Time for the Chiefs as an organisation to get on the front foot and address this .
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.
Big call there.
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The online abuse that Ben Okeefe is getting is horrendous, death threats even
Time for the Chiefs as an organisation to get on the front foot and address this .
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.@Steven-Harris
Disgraceful not the sort of people the Chiefs need as supporters.
