Argentina v All Blacks
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I can see why they may want Barratt at 15. I am not sure they will want to trust Stevenson with his first cap in Mendoza.
This test, while seemingly being the least important of the year, actually has a lot riding on it and we want to start with a win to get up and running straight away.
Otherwise we will be in a similar situation as last year where we have a must win game against South Africa before facing Aus away.
We don’t want the chaos of early last year to repeat itself otherwise the squad may not recover in time.
They have to show the mean business by winning straight away and I’m not sure Foz will put his trust in Shooter for this match.
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To my way of thinking if the All Blacks want to do well this year they must pick on form. If that means picking a few inexperienced players then so be it.
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I think they will start with BB, his reading of game at test level at least will probably sway selection, and I still think Stevenson will have them a little nervous with his little mistakes etc in games, though would be happy to see him off bench, but that would leave no room for DMac probably. So I don't know.
@Tim mate I would have Cane starting over Papalii , just think his game is much more suited to test rugby ie hige wrokrate and doing the shit work well. We will big games with defance, and getting arses off ground and working, more than occasional runs with ball in hand. Well my take anyway, I think Cane has played better at test level than he gets credit ofr as he not and never has been a highlights package player. Well just as I see it anyway. -
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I think Barratt will be starting 6 but go into lock in the 2nd half of games.
He tends to be an 80 minute player and it means we can bring on another loose forward.
@DaGrubster said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B
I think Barratt will be starting 6 but go into lock in the 2nd half of games.
He tends to be an 80 minute player and it means we can bring on another loose forward.
I think so too.
Potentially two loose forwards for the final 20 minutes - e.g. Papalií and Blackadder - to help us lift the tempo.
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The way Brayden Iose burned Scott Barrett against the Crusaders this year off a scrum makes me skeptical about his potential selection at 6, however he's probably the best option we have tbh. I would prefer Blackadder when he is fit though.
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I think they will start with BB, his reading of game at test level at least will probably sway selection, and I still think Stevenson will have them a little nervous with his little mistakes etc in games, though would be happy to see him off bench, but that would leave no room for DMac probably. So I don't know.
@Tim mate I would have Cane starting over Papalii , just think his game is much more suited to test rugby ie hige wrokrate and doing the shit work well. We will big games with defance, and getting arses off ground and working, more than occasional runs with ball in hand. Well my take anyway, I think Cane has played better at test level than he gets credit ofr as he not and never has been a highlights package player. Well just as I see it anyway.@Dan54 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I think they will start with BB, his reading of game at test level at least will probably sway selection, and I still think Stevenson will have them a little nervous with his little mistakes etc in games, though would be happy to see him off bench, but that would leave no room for DMac probably. So I don't know.
@Tim mate I would have Cane starting over Papalii , just think his game is much more suited to test rugby ie hige wrokrate and doing the shit work well. We will big games with defance, and getting arses off ground and working, more than occasional runs with ball in hand. Well my take anyway, I think Cane has played better at test level than he gets credit ofr as he not and never has been a highlights package player. Well just as I see it anyway.Sam Cane vs Wales in 2018 Millennium stadium.
Never seen anything like it.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I guess Fozzie could do anything - but, I'm inclined to think he'll run out what he thinks is close to his strongest available team. Which isn't too much different to what you've got here.
Thinking strongest XV with Ritchie at 10 and BB at 15. DMac to get a fair bit of game time. Finau, SS and poss. Roigard on the bench
If I see Beauden Barrett at fullback I’m going to kill a kitten .
Well I don't want to see him anywhere near 10 either...so best find 2 kittens
But I think they'll want to see how he goes at Test level and if his form at SR is as bad as suspected.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I guess Fozzie could do anything - but, I'm inclined to think he'll run out what he thinks is close to his strongest available team. Which isn't too much different to what you've got here.
Thinking strongest XV with Ritchie at 10 and BB at 15. DMac to get a fair bit of game time. Finau, SS and poss. Roigard on the bench
If I see Beauden Barrett at fullback I’m going to kill a kitten .
Well I don't want to see him anywhere near 10 either...so best find 2 kittens
But I think they'll want to see how he goes at Test level and if his form at SR is as bad as suspected.
He is one of my favourite ever Allblacks. Top 5 for sure.
But hes offering nothing these days. Id love to be proven wrong.
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Finau at 6 plz
Off the bench. See what he can do with 30 mins rather than an all or nothing approach. He looks made for Test rugby but I'd rather not make the same mistakes we've done previously.
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Finau at 6 plz
Off the bench. See what he can do with 30 mins rather than an all or nothing approach. He looks made for Test rugby but I'd rather not make the same mistakes we've done previously.
@antipodean thats probably fair, I just hope when we give these guys a run off the bench its more than 10 minutes
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Finau at 6 plz
Off the bench. See what he can do with 30 mins rather than an all or nothing approach. He looks made for Test rugby but I'd rather not make the same mistakes we've done previously.
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Finau at 6 plz
Off the bench. See what he can do with 30 mins rather than an all or nothing approach. He looks made for Test rugby but I'd rather not make the same mistakes we've done previously.
If it's Frizzel at 6 then they'll be making the same mistake yet again, therefore I'd rather they make a new mistake with Finau.
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I can see why they may want Barratt at 15. I am not sure they will want to trust Stevenson with his first cap in Mendoza.
This test, while seemingly being the least important of the year, actually has a lot riding on it and we want to start with a win to get up and running straight away.
Otherwise we will be in a similar situation as last year where we have a must win game against South Africa before facing Aus away.
We don’t want the chaos of early last year to repeat itself otherwise the squad may not recover in time.
They have to show the mean business by winning straight away and I’m not sure Foz will put his trust in Shooter for this match.
@DaGrubster i want Stevenson to start. BB can come off the bench for 10/15 cover. SS is a phenomenal athlete. We need to see him play. Also, an error from him will not cost the game. Of the games we've lost its because we've been collectively shit. If ever there is a time, it has to be now.
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Furry muff. But SS for me has to start.
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This test has banana skin written all over it if we are “rotating players” or “giving the Super rugby finalists a rest”.
Mendoza is a tough place to play.
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In the forwards, I noted Mils on The Breakdown had Codie Taylor penciled in to start, and that won't surprise me.
I reckon it might be:
de Groot, Taylor, Lomax
Retallick, Barrett
Frizell, Cane, SaveaTaukei'aho, Williams, Tu'ungafasi, Vaa'i, Papali'i
I hope big Tamaiti gets a run.
As previously, I'd like to see them start Scott at 6, Vaa'i at lock and that would allow Finau and Papali'i on the bench.
But, I suspect they won't.
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@DaGrubster i want Stevenson to start. BB can come off the bench for 10/15 cover. SS is a phenomenal athlete. We need to see him play. Also, an error from him will not cost the game. Of the games we've lost its because we've been collectively shit. If ever there is a time, it has to be now.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@DaGrubster i want Stevenson to start. BB can come off the bench for 10/15 cover. SS is a phenomenal athlete. We need to see him play. Also, an error from him will not cost the game. Of the games we've lost its because we've been collectively shit. If ever there is a time, it has to be now.
Better than starting at 15. But Id prefer DMac to cover 1st and 15. Luckily we have options
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@Dan54 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I think they will start with BB, his reading of game at test level at least will probably sway selection, and I still think Stevenson will have them a little nervous with his little mistakes etc in games, though would be happy to see him off bench, but that would leave no room for DMac probably. So I don't know.
@Tim mate I would have Cane starting over Papalii , just think his game is much more suited to test rugby ie hige wrokrate and doing the shit work well. We will big games with defance, and getting arses off ground and working, more than occasional runs with ball in hand. Well my take anyway, I think Cane has played better at test level than he gets credit ofr as he not and never has been a highlights package player. Well just as I see it anyway.Sam Cane vs Wales in 2018 Millennium stadium.
Never seen anything like it.
@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I think they will start with BB, his reading of game at test level at least will probably sway selection, and I still think Stevenson will have them a little nervous with his little mistakes etc in games, though would be happy to see him off bench, but that would leave no room for DMac probably. So I don't know.
@Tim mate I would have Cane starting over Papalii , just think his game is much more suited to test rugby ie hige wrokrate and doing the shit work well. We will big games with defance, and getting arses off ground and working, more than occasional runs with ball in hand. Well my take anyway, I think Cane has played better at test level than he gets credit ofr as he not and never has been a highlights package player. Well just as I see it anyway.Sam Cane vs Wales in 2018 Millennium stadium.
Never seen anything like it.
2022 vs Japan (?) Never seen an All Black 7 so off the pace.
But I agree, his Super form warrants he start and on song, is a proven campaigner. I just hope they don't hesitate to start another if Cane returns to his 2022 form. -
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
The first All Blacks side of the year will be named on Friday (NZ time).Surely it's a banning offence to provide the answer before someone asks the question? Never mess with TSF tradition.
