Argentina v All Blacks
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@Stag Well he was there today, and he was solid enough, no complaints here. People said the same last year as well about how Fai'anaganuku should have been ahead of Clarke and had an absolute shocker against the Irish and wasn't seen again after that.
If Fai'anganuku comes back in for Clarke then yeah, you won't get any complaints from me about it, but going off Clarke's performance today, he was fine, not shit like some will try and say. I'd be happy to see Clarke again if he retains his spot.
I wouldn't have Frizzell usually, but he got a go today and was solid, fair play to him. He might have earned another shot next week.
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Qusetion, where does Jordan fit into the picture? I admit to not being a fan of his at 15 at this level, so does Narawa mis out. I thought both BB and Dmac looked good at 15.
Oh and to those that were wondering, I think we saw Lord answer why Ryan wanted to start him, he looks to have a huge future to me! nAnd as I keep saying 2m+ locks don't grow on trees.
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During the last decade, the ABs often won games thanks to their bench. I fear this won't be the case anymore. There was a huge difference between the starting props and their substitutes, for instance.
@cgrant said in Argentina v All Blacks:
During the last decade, the ABs often won games thanks to their bench. I fear this won't be the case anymore. There was a huge difference between the starting props and their substitutes, for instance.
Good news there are quite a few players that should be able to strengthen the bench, either by coming onto the bench or by coming into the starting xv and then a starter from today goes to the bench.
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@Stargazer said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Why? It's generally accepted here that you don't post spoilers.
I think it's impossible to have a hard rule about that. It changes from match to match. In general if you're in a live match thread you shouldn't be surprised if you see another result or hints about the other games. Particularly after full time
When there's two NPC games played at the same time, it's more of a rule
With a game like this, AB's early in the morning and the Saffa/Aussie game overnight, posting about the other game should probably wait until a bit later
I deleted a couple of posts that were talking only about the Aussie/Saffa result as this game kicked off. It spoiled the result for me but I wasn't surprised I saw it in this thread
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@Tim said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Rieko Ioane's defence has been excellent.
Stats have him missing 50% of his tackles (5 out if 10) so not so sure about that.
Midfield combo looked good tho apart from that
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Can't remember the last time the ABs started their first game of the year looking so slick, normally a rusty slow start.
Also satisfying to finally see them properly attacking the opposition throw getting a jumper up early as opposed to their normal half arsed lift
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@Tim said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Rieko Ioane's defence has been excellent.
Stats have him missing 50% of his tackles (5 out if 10) so not so sure about that.
Midfield combo looked good tho apart from that
@WillieTheWaiter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Tim said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Rieko Ioane's defence has been excellent.
Stats have him missing 50% of his tackles (5 out if 10) so not so sure about that.
Midfield combo looked good tho apart from that
I was surprised to see that missed tackle count - thought he missed 1 or two but not that many.
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Jordie Barrett finally moving to 12 could potentially be the winning of this World Cup. The options he offers our attack and his defence will be the difference in the big games.
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
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@Tim said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Rieko Ioane's defence has been excellent.
Stats have him missing 50% of his tackles (5 out if 10) so not so sure about that.
Midfield combo looked good tho apart from that
@WillieTheWaiter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Tim said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Rieko Ioane's defence has been excellent.
Stats have him missing 50% of his tackles (5 out if 10) so not so sure about that.
Midfield combo looked good tho apart from that
Missed tackle stats can be misleading. If he's rushing up and/or shepherding a player a certain way it can be put down as a missed tackle.
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@Stag Well he was there today, and he was solid enough, no complaints here. People said the same last year as well about how Fai'anaganuku should have been ahead of Clarke and had an absolute shocker against the Irish and wasn't seen again after that.
If Fai'anganuku comes back in for Clarke then yeah, you won't get any complaints from me about it, but going off Clarke's performance today, he was fine, not shit like some will try and say. I'd be happy to see Clarke again if he retains his spot.
I wouldn't have Frizzell usually, but he got a go today and was solid, fair play to him. He might have earned another shot next week.
Good first up win, after a shaky first play. I don't want to be too negative but what the fuck was up with that? Clear from the first ruck, don't create a second and then pass to a player in a worse position for a kick.
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I wouldn't have Frizzell usually, but he got a go today and was solid, fair play to him. He might have earned another shot next week.
I think it's the best test that he's played or his publicist TJ just convinced us of it by mentioning how well he was playing constantly (and on occasion assigning stuff to him that Savea had done).
@Duluth said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I deleted a couple of posts that were talking only about the Aussie/Saffa result as this game kicked off. It spoiled the result for me but I wasn't surprised I saw it in this thread
Pissed me off they spoiled it in the commentary.
Now for the fun read back through the thread.
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Can't remember the last time the ABs started their first game of the year looking so slick, normally a rusty slow start.
Also satisfying to finally see them properly attacking the opposition throw getting a jumper up early as opposed to their normal half arsed lift
@WillieTheWaiter I was thinking the same thing - 4 minutes in and it looked like the usual scratchy start, 7 minutes later and the game was over.
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Good first up win, after a shaky first play. I don't want to be too negative but what the fuck was up with that? Clear from the first ruck, don't create a second and then pass to a player in a worse position for a kick.
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I wouldn't have Frizzell usually, but he got a go today and was solid, fair play to him. He might have earned another shot next week.
I think it's the best test that he's played or his publicist TJ just convinced us of it by mentioning how well he was playing constantly (and on occasion assigning stuff to him that Savea had done).
@Duluth said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I deleted a couple of posts that were talking only about the Aussie/Saffa result as this game kicked off. It spoiled the result for me but I wasn't surprised I saw it in this thread
Pissed me off they spoiled it in the commentary.
Now for the fun read back through the thread.
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Jordie Barrett finally moving to 12 could potentially be the winning of this World Cup. The options he offers our attack and his defence will be the difference in the big games.
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
@Yeahtheboys said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Jordie Barrett finally moving to 12 could potentially be the winning of this World Cup. The options he offers our attack and his defence will be the difference in the big games.
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
Something that was obvious to some of us years ago....
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Jordie Barrett finally moving to 12 could potentially be the winning of this World Cup. The options he offers our attack and his defence will be the difference in the big games.
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
@Yeahtheboys said in Argentina v All Blacks:
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
Then Stevenson on the bench has appeal to me..
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@Nepia Yeah he was solid. A 7 out of 10 performance for me. The commentators made out like it was prime Kaino out there which it wasn't, but he did a decent enough job.
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia Yeah he was solid. A 7 out of 10 performance for me. The commentators made out like it was prime Kaino out there which it wasn't, but he did a decent enough job.
I reckon Fozzie and Ryan will be delighted with Frizell.
He was doing exactly what I think he's picked for - providing a tall and effective third lineout option, making his tackles and trucking the ball up one off the ruck and securely recycling. Got himself around the park and a few nice little touches e.g. in the first try, as well.
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Cully nails it re: the attack. A lot of good stuff in this article.
What was striking about the All Blacks was how few times they went into predictable three-man pod systems in attack. McKenzie, meanwhile, frequently stepped in at first receiver rather than a tight forward, and he always had willing runners to choose from. A plea to New Zealand’s Super Rugby teams – follow suit and empower your No 10s: they don’t have to spend most of the game sitting out the back waiting for a backdoor play.
