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Australia v All Blacks - Bled I

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    I haven't read the match thread yet but we still don't get much from our props as ball-carriers. de Groot has mastered the art of running 1 m and then getting stopped in his tracks. Ofa disappointed me again. The final selection of the props will be interesting, with Moody and Newell yet to be sighted.

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      Another very good performance by AB’s. They always seemed in control even when the Wallabies were on top. Absorb pressure, exit and put points on. The ruck speed was fast so suited our game. Even in the first 20mins when it was tight, the speed of the ruck, the crisp passing and the AB’s willingness to play their game it just seemed like only a matter of time before they broke the Wallabies down.

      You could see the Wallabies trying to exert their game plan. Hooper was on everything and won one turnover, Skelton was physically imposing.

      I don’t think I’ve ever been as optimistic of the AB’s under Foster.

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        • Dan54D Offline
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          Well have to say I enjoyed that test. Got up this morning feeling quite good about things, there is an awful lot to like about the balance of the team and how they are playing. I will say with all respect to Papalii, perhaps the only change I would like at this stage is Cane back at 7, he a bit more suited to the combative nature of test rugby. Haven't seen any player's ratings but if Scott Barrett was anywhere under 12 out of 10 he is being marked harshly👌 , and I am prepared to repeat what I said earlier in season, he is best rugby player in the country this year.
          But all in all pretty happy where we are at!

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          • Dan54D Dan54

            Well have to say I enjoyed that test. Got up this morning feeling quite good about things, there is an awful lot to like about the balance of the team and how they are playing. I will say with all respect to Papalii, perhaps the only change I would like at this stage is Cane back at 7, he a bit more suited to the combative nature of test rugby. Haven't seen any player's ratings but if Scott Barrett was anywhere under 12 out of 10 he is being marked harshly👌 , and I am prepared to repeat what I said earlier in season, he is best rugby player in the country this year.
            But all in all pretty happy where we are at!

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            @Dan54 Agree about Cane. You really see the value he adds when he’s not there. Will be interesting to see the loose forward combination for Bledisloe II in Dunedin - perhaps an all-Chiefs back row of Finau, Cane and Jacobsen?

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            • MajorPomM Offline
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              From what I saw Cane was missed.

              Interested in @Tim thoughts here, his biggest critic.

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              • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

                Another very good performance by AB’s. They always seemed in control even when the Wallabies were on top. Absorb pressure, exit and put points on. The ruck speed was fast so suited our game. Even in the first 20mins when it was tight, the speed of the ruck, the crisp passing and the AB’s willingness to play their game it just seemed like only a matter of time before they broke the Wallabies down.

                You could see the Wallabies trying to exert their game plan. Hooper was on everything and won one turnover, Skelton was physically imposing.

                I don’t think I’ve ever been as optimistic of the AB’s under Foster.

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                @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                You could see the Wallabies trying to exert their game plan. Hooper was on everything and won one turnover, Skelton was physically imposing.

                I thought Hooper was good value.

                I don’t think I’ve ever been as optimistic of the AB’s under Foster.

                Ha! That's a low bar for many 😉

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                • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                  @Tim said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1685239158305165313?s=20

                  Great hit

                  Where is the offside line at a lineout please?

                  Scooter had already crossed the centre line before the ball was passed to McDermott

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                  @MiketheSnow

                  Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for lineout players is the mark of touch. After that, their offside line is a line through the ball.

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                  • Chris B.C Offline
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                    #1178

                    https://super.rugby/therugbychampionship/competition-stats/

                    This table is quite good reading (for us). Comprehensive! We're also top in every team stat category listed, except rucks won.

                    TAB now has us equal favourites with France to win the RWC.

                    South Africa third - ahead of Ireland.

                    https://www.tab.co.nz/sports/competition/18525/rugby-union/international/rugby-world-cup/outrights?outrightseventid=248050

                    Australia still viewed as much more likely than Argentina.

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                      Lots of positives from that one and lots of work ons. Our inability to exit from our half after halftime was a concern. Missing touch from a penalty hurt, quite a few ruck penalties hurt us also for holding on. We also did not get a lot of return for the defensive bomb which seems to be a staple of the gameplan.

                      However, the maul defense and overall D was very nice, our set piece was rock solid and a few scrum penalties was nice. The forwards as a unit are improving all the time. Taylor is finding some nice form which is great, and scooter is a man possessed.

                      Frizzel and Paps not quite as much impact offensively put played tight and did well on D.

                      Thought Barnes was fine, communicated well.

                      Australia just need to sort out their discipline, how many cards have they had this rugby championship? Some good stuff but also plenty of bad. Eddie might need to eat lots of those Cadbury chocolates to make him happy as 0-3 is not a great start.

                      I see the stat this morning Australia have won just 5 of their last 20 games whereas NZ are on a 10 game winning streak. Bring on next week.

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                      • D Derpus

                        The maul sack to Papali'i was surely a collapse, no? I hate mauls and think he should be well within his rights to tackle the player in possession. Notwithstanding, my understanding is that he can't take it down even if he came through legally no?

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                        @Derpus said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                        The maul sack to Papali'i was surely a collapse, no? I hate mauls and think he should be well within his rights to tackle the player in possession. Notwithstanding, my understanding is that he can't take it down even if he came through legally no?

                        From what I could see live, I thought Papal’i got to the ball carrier given the supporting maul players for the Wallabies had splintered.

                        As a tactic I don’t hate mauls, what I can’t stand is (1) the leeway many mauls get when they are stagnant or just moving sideways and not forwards (2) attacking players joining the maul in front of the ball carrier

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                          • MajorPomM MajorPom

                            From what I saw Cane was missed.

                            Interested in @Tim thoughts here, his biggest critic.

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                            @MajorPom said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                            From what I saw Cane was missed.

                            Interested in @Tim thoughts here, his biggest critic.

                            Does @Tim not like Cane? I never got that impression.

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                              I thought the RM-BB axis worked really well last night. If they can cut out the stupid kicking then we have an incredibly potent weapon in those 2 combining.

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                              • WurzelW Wurzel

                                @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                @canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                Proud moment for Cam and the Roigaid clan

                                Cam looked every bit as good at this level as at super rugby level. I hope he starts next week. Clearly the no2 HB now

                                Aaron Smith’s final ever match at Forsyth Barr. I reckon Cam’s on the bench again.

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                                @Wurzel said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                @canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                Proud moment for Cam and the Roigaid clan

                                Cam looked every bit as good at this level as at super rugby level. I hope he starts next week. Clearly the no2 HB now

                                Aaron Smith’s final ever match at Forsyth Barr. I reckon Cam’s on the bench again.

                                Cam should start a test before the RWC. He needs game time starting in case of injury. Cam looks the real deal but can he do it starting

                                Smith could come on to huge applause with say 20 minutes left

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                                • WingerW Winger

                                  @Wurzel said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  @canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  Proud moment for Cam and the Roigaid clan

                                  Cam looked every bit as good at this level as at super rugby level. I hope he starts next week. Clearly the no2 HB now

                                  Aaron Smith’s final ever match at Forsyth Barr. I reckon Cam’s on the bench again.

                                  Cam should start a test before the RWC. He needs game time starting in case of injury. Cam looks the real deal but can he do it starting

                                  Smith could come on to huge applause with say 20 minutes left

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                                  @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  @Wurzel said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  @canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                  Proud moment for Cam and the Roigaid clan

                                  Cam looked every bit as good at this level as at super rugby level. I hope he starts next week. Clearly the no2 HB now

                                  Aaron Smith’s final ever match at Forsyth Barr. I reckon Cam’s on the bench again.

                                  Cam should start a test before the RWC. He needs game time starting in case of injury. Cam looks the real deal but can he do it starting

                                  Smith could come on to huge applause with say 20 minutes left

                                  Plenty of players have come on as a replacement and looked a million bucks then be found wanting later. Brendan Leonard is the classic example. But Cam does look like he has a the goods. Hopefully he does because we're pretty fůcked otherwise.

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                                    Eddie getting some stick.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/critics-bail-in-on-eddie-jones-after-latest-wallabies-flop/ar-AA1ewL7y?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27267e4ade4e4ce887500d538ba57737&ei=15

                                    Amidst the disappointment, former players and pundits have not held back in their criticism of Jones. Andy Goode, the former England flyhalf stated that the former England boss has taken the Wallabies backwards at an alarming rate, and questioned the decision to sack previous coach Dave Rennie.

                                    “Eddie Jones has taken the Wallabies backwards quicker than I used to run to the buffet! Whoever sacked Dave Rennie at Australian Rugby needs sacking for being inept at their job!” The outspoken RugbyPass columnist said that Rennie had been ‘replaced by a clown’.

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                                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                      @Derpus said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                      The maul sack to Papali'i was surely a collapse, no? I hate mauls and think he should be well within his rights to tackle the player in possession. Notwithstanding, my understanding is that he can't take it down even if he came through legally no?

                                      From what I could see live, I thought Papal’i got to the ball carrier given the supporting maul players for the Wallabies had splintered.

                                      As a tactic I don’t hate mauls, what I can’t stand is (1) the leeway many mauls get when they are stagnant or just moving sideways and not forwards (2) attacking players joining the maul in front of the ball carrier

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                                      @ACT-Crusader Yeah Papali'i got to the ball carrier but then brought him down. As long as it's still a maul he can't tackle him. I'm 80% sure that's the rule and we saw that exact thing penalised in SR this year.

                                      It's fucking dumb though.

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                                      • D Derpus

                                        @ACT-Crusader Yeah Papali'i got to the ball carrier but then brought him down. As long as it's still a maul he can't tackle him. I'm 80% sure that's the rule and we saw that exact thing penalised in SR this year.

                                        It's fucking dumb though.

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                                        @Derpus I thought the maul had broken up, but haven't revisited so you maybe right. From memory a the ball carrier and one other had broken off?

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                                          I'd start Whitelock with Beast. Sub Retallick for Whitelock at 50 minutes.
                                          ALB, Roigard and DMac in the 23.
                                          Hoping Newell is good to go with Tamaiti.

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