Australia v All Blacks - Bled I
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
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I'd start Whitelock with Beast. Sub Retallick for Whitelock at 50 minutes.
ALB, Roigard and DMac in the 23.
Hoping Newell is good to go with Tamaiti.@BerniesCorner said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
I'd start Whitelock with Beast. Sub Retallick for Whitelock at 50 minutes.
ALB, Roigard and DMac in the 23.
Hoping Newell is good to go with Tamaiti.You can see the thinking behind the midfield and winger impact players whilst playing both RM and BB in your starting XV. We’ve seen it before when we used to have BB at 10 and DMac at 15 too.
For me DMac will be the starting 10 in the lesser games in the RWC and come into the first string 23 if there is injury.
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.
He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.
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@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Wurzel said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Proud moment for Cam and the Roigaid clan
Cam looked every bit as good at this level as at super rugby level. I hope he starts next week. Clearly the no2 HB now
Aaron Smith’s final ever match at Forsyth Barr. I reckon Cam’s on the bench again.
Cam should start a test before the RWC. He needs game time starting in case of injury. Cam looks the real deal but can he do it starting
Smith could come on to huge applause with say 20 minutes left
If Cam goes to the RWC he will get a start in one of the pool games.
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Wurzel said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@canefan said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Proud moment for Cam and the Roigaid clan
Cam looked every bit as good at this level as at super rugby level. I hope he starts next week. Clearly the no2 HB now
Aaron Smith’s final ever match at Forsyth Barr. I reckon Cam’s on the bench again.
Cam should start a test before the RWC. He needs game time starting in case of injury. Cam looks the real deal but can he do it starting
Smith could come on to huge applause with say 20 minutes left
If Cam goes to the RWC he will get a start in one of the pool games.
Why not next week too. Smith doesn't need game time. Roigard does. And the more the better
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
@TheMojoman Watch his distribution skills under pressure. If you've got it, you've got it. He's got that rare commodity of calmness under pressure.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
@TheMojoman and yet Christie looked poor going forward against both the Argies and SA after they were well up on the scoreboard.
Christie has real issues with his accuracy going forward, along with his dithering decision making...on d, he is probably the best 9 in NZ, makes some awesome tackles and scrambling cover tackles as well as pressuring the breakdown.
But agree, they've invested in him, he won't be turfed now.
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Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
He doesn't need to be outstanding.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
@KiwiMurph yeah I've watched both of them a few times live now aswell and Roigard is far superior in my view. When watching him against the Crusaders up close in the pre-season game this year in Levin, I think I mentioned at the time he would be an All Black this year. His running game is top notch, his passing game is accurate, he has a gigantic boot and he isn't afraid to have a crack.
He made a few players look really silly in that game and then went on to have a great season for the Canes. I hope he gets more opportunity to show what he has in Dunners this weekend because we've seen enough to know what Christie offers at test level.
Christie might be more experienced but Roigard is by far the better player. Someone mentioned in the media that Roigard reminded them of the late and great Joost VW.
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Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for lineout players is the mark of touch. After that, their offside line is a line through the ball.
@Chris-B said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for lineout players is the mark of touch. After that, their offside line is a line through the ball.
Thanks
BBBR had certainly closed the gap
Ball hair for SB
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
Most importantly, he's also not a ginga. Those people can never be totally trusted.
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
He may well be superior but you’re talking about Super rugby. Roigard’s body of work in the black jersey is 20mins against a beaten Wallabies side whereas Christie has played 16 tests and by all accounts has played well enough to continue to be selected. You don’t drop a player under those circumstances.
Look at Shaun Stevenson. He was the form Super fullback by a country mile yet he can’t unseat BB in the black jersey. I get BB has a 100+ tests under his belt but the same principle applies.
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
You could see the Wallabies trying to exert their game plan. Hooper was on everything and won one turnover, Skelton was physically imposing.
I thought Hooper was good value.
I don’t think I’ve ever been as optimistic of the AB’s under Foster.
Ha! That's a low bar for many
@NTA said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Ha! That's a low bar for many
It is still a bar. Still have to reach over the top for the free beer
On the Wallabies, the talent seems there, what struck me though is Eddie didn't seem to know how to use it. Seemed like he was trying to implant an overseas style onto them and it wasn't working or maybe that was due to key injuries and players out of position...
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.
They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.
This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.
I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.
He may well be superior but you’re talking about Super rugby. Roigard’s body of work in the black jersey is 20mins against a beaten Wallabies side whereas Christie has played 16 tests and by all accounts has played well enough to continue to be selected. You don’t drop a player under those circumstances.
Look at Shaun Stevenson. He was the form Super fullback by a country mile yet he can’t unseat BB in the black jersey. I get BB has a 100+ tests under his belt but the same principle applies.
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Christie has played 16 tests and by all accounts has played well enough to continue to be selected.
He has continued to be selected because the selectors have been keen to move on from Weber and Perenara and there was a lack of better alternatives outside those known quantities.
Roigard should be given as many minutes as possible because, if, God forbid, something happens to Aaron Smith, we want our BEST halfback starting, not some guy who has been passable at best.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.
He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.
@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.
He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.
I didn't watch as much of the Hurricanes games (sober) as some others, so haven't bought into the Roigard hype.
But he seems more composed that Christie.
I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.
My conspiracy theory and I'm sticking with it.
Smith Webber, Roigard in that order for me.
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@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.
He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.
I didn't watch as much of the Hurricanes games (sober) as some others, so haven't bought into the Roigard hype.
But he seems more composed that Christie.
I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.
My conspiracy theory and I'm sticking with it.
Smith Webber, Roigard in that order for me.
@booboo said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.
Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.
Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.
He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.
I didn't watch as much of the Hurricanes games (sober) as some others, so haven't bought into the Roigard hype.
But he seems more composed that Christie.
I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.
My conspiracy theory and I'm sticking with it.
Smith Webber, Roigard in that order for me.
Webber is a baffling one. I can't believe that Fozz would choose the ginga over him
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Maybe Christie fits their game plan better? But Weber seems more assertive to me, I'd prefer him.
