Australia v All Blacks - Bled I
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@taniwharugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Victor-Meldrew you'd think the head coach would have final say if he wanted someone that the others didnt or were on the fence with.
You'd imagine and hope he'd make his decision based on input from the people working with the player - McLeod & Schmidt.
@Victor-Meldrew sure, but I very much doubt if someone at this level is so shit that the other 2 coaches think he is so far out of his depth but one does, but again, I expect if it came down to it, if Fozzie wanted to give him a run, he'd have had a run.
But at the end of the day, they didnt give him a shot for whatever reason, and the way things are looking now, we would need to have at least a couple of injuries for him to make the RWC squad.
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Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - Perth@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
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@Bones said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Did they actually say that, or is that just hit and hope from you?
No, I read things.
Foster told Sky Sport. “We’ve got pretty specific job requirements on both sides of the ball.
“On the attack side, he’s proven to be outstanding. He should be very proud of his year. “We’ve seen a massive improvement in the defensive structural stuff – the tackle and the contact work – but we still want to see a bit more in that space. “The fact he’s going to come in and be with us, maybe for those first two Tests, is a great opportunity to get a good read of that.”
@Victor-Meldrew said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
the tackle and the contact work
Oh well that makes complete sense now.
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I don’t get the conjecture around Stevenson. We needed cover because of several factors and he was bought in as cover.
Those that were originally named in the squad and were able to travel didn’t fall in the shower pre game or pull up lame in the warm ups - so they played and Shaun sat on the sideline.
It didn’t have anything to do with work ons or some mythical internal disagreement between coaches. They didn’t need him for the first two tests and now for the Bledisloe we have a few other players back.
Good luck to Shaun in the NPC because he may well get the call up again if someone goes down.
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@Victor-Meldrew sure, but I very much doubt if someone at this level is so shit that the other 2 coaches think he is so far out of his depth but one does, but again, I expect if it came down to it, if Fozzie wanted to give him a run, he'd have had a run.
But at the end of the day, they didnt give him a shot for whatever reason, and the way things are looking now, we would need to have at least a couple of injuries for him to make the RWC squad.
Wouldn't be shocked if he was in the RWC squad, TBH. Maybe an injury slot or one of the other wings fails to measure up.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
I was at the 07 one , they played McAlister at 13 as a bit of an experiment to see if he could provide cover there, I was sitting behind the posts watching Mortlock turn him inside out.
Dont think he played there again .
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
they wanted to work with him in camp
Did they actually say that, or is that just hit and hope from you?
Regardless, I remain thoroughly unconvinced about these "issues" which I haven't seen any explanation of. Especially so when you consider the top two fullbacks are Beauden McShovelshit and a guy who makes as many errors as unbelievable plays.
The kind of unbelievable plays we've seen Stevenson do, but without as many errors.
Sounds like mealy mouthed excuses to me, on a par with saying Taylor is the form hooker at the start of the 2022 international season.
@Bones said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
they wanted to work with him in camp
Did they actually say that, or is that just hit and hope from you?
Regardless, I remain thoroughly unconvinced about these "issues" which I haven't seen any explanation of. Especially so when you consider the top two fullbacks are Beauden McShovelshit and a guy who makes as many errors as unbelievable plays.
The kind of unbelievable plays we've seen Stevenson do, but without as many errors.
Didn't bother watching Stevenson defend this year?
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@Bones said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
they wanted to work with him in camp
Did they actually say that, or is that just hit and hope from you?
Regardless, I remain thoroughly unconvinced about these "issues" which I haven't seen any explanation of. Especially so when you consider the top two fullbacks are Beauden McShovelshit and a guy who makes as many errors as unbelievable plays.
The kind of unbelievable plays we've seen Stevenson do, but without as many errors.
Didn't bother watching Stevenson defend this year?
@antipodean Too busy on Vaai and Clarke watch.
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@Bones said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
they wanted to work with him in camp
Did they actually say that, or is that just hit and hope from you?
Regardless, I remain thoroughly unconvinced about these "issues" which I haven't seen any explanation of. Especially so when you consider the top two fullbacks are Beauden McShovelshit and a guy who makes as many errors as unbelievable plays.
The kind of unbelievable plays we've seen Stevenson do, but without as many errors.
Didn't bother watching Stevenson defend this year?
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
Whereas in 2003 we tore them a new one!
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@antipodean but seriously, what was it you spotted that might be issues?
@Bones said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@antipodean but seriously, what was it you spotted that might be issues?
To me his positioning defensively and tackling left a lot to be desired. Often he looked uninterested in actually making a tackle - merely grabbing at an attacker and being easily beaten.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
I was at the 07 one , they played McAlister at 13 as a bit of an experiment to see if he could provide cover there, I was sitting behind the posts watching Mortlock turn him inside out.
Dont think he played there again .
@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
I was at the 07 one , they played McAlister at 13 as a bit of an experiment to see if he could provide cover there, I was sitting behind the posts watching Mortlock turn him inside out.
Dont think he played there again .
I watched that at a rugby club in Canberra and I recall an Aussie former player or coach talking pre-game about how Lucky leads with the shoulder on defence and leaves himself open to be beaten. And sure enough the Evil Wizard exposed it.
Was a strange game and I know many bemoan our second half performances, but that was a Jekyll and Hyde game where we basically dominated in the first half without it looking like we got out of 2nd gear and then we put in a 2nd half where we couldn’t land a shot, looked like we were playing in quick sand.
And yes it was a “famous victory” for the Wallabies…
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@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
Whereas in 2003 we tore them a new one!
@pakman although we just scraped home during the critical second Bledisloe test and that was at Eden Park.
Bledisloe drought over
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@taniwharugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Stevenson has been released, so he won't be playing.
All Blacks hopeful Shaun Stevenson will leave the team before their Bledisloe Cup trip to Melbourne in a fortnight, despite impressing in training.
Mafileo is still with the squad though.
That fucken sucks for Stevenson. Absolutely shafted.
He will be there next year I am sure.
At least he gets a taste of an AB environment which will help him next year when he makes the step up.
I would have like to have seen him get game time but as injury cover for a guy who played at the weekend it wasn’t going to happen for him.
Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen but if there are injuries to the back 3 then he is primed to come into the squad having spent a few weeks with them
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He will be there next year I am sure.
At least he gets a taste of an AB environment which will help him next year when he makes the step up.
I would have like to have seen him get game time but as injury cover for a guy who played at the weekend it wasn’t going to happen for him.
Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen but if there are injuries to the back 3 then he is primed to come into the squad having spent a few weeks with them
@DaGrubster said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen but if there are injuries to the back 3 then he is primed to come into the squad having spent a few weeks with them
Yeah that's the theory, but I have zero confidence in that becoming a reality.
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This is a great opportunity to see if we can put in 3 top performances in a row and treat this as a final.
Play as close to the top side as possible, with some minimal changes.
Focus on the performance and not get sucked into playing an all out throw the ball around that we sometimes see against Australia.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
I was at the 07 one , they played McAlister at 13 as a bit of an experiment to see if he could provide cover there, I was sitting behind the posts watching Mortlock turn him inside out.
Dont think he played there again .
I watched that at a rugby club in Canberra and I recall an Aussie former player or coach talking pre-game about how Lucky leads with the shoulder on defence and leaves himself open to be beaten. And sure enough the Evil Wizard exposed it.
Was a strange game and I know many bemoan our second half performances, but that was a Jekyll and Hyde game where we basically dominated in the first half without it looking like we got out of 2nd gear and then we put in a 2nd half where we couldn’t land a shot, looked like we were playing in quick sand.
And yes it was a “famous victory” for the Wallabies…
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@kiwiinmelb said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthAnd it’s funny that Oz did worst or in the case of 07 equally as bad, as the ABs.
I was at the 07 one , they played McAlister at 13 as a bit of an experiment to see if he could provide cover there, I was sitting behind the posts watching Mortlock turn him inside out.
Dont think he played there again .
I watched that at a rugby club in Canberra and I recall an Aussie former player or coach talking pre-game about how Lucky leads with the shoulder on defence and leaves himself open to be beaten. And sure enough the Evil Wizard exposed it.
Was a strange game and I know many bemoan our second half performances, but that was a Jekyll and Hyde game where we basically dominated in the first half without it looking like we got out of 2nd gear and then we put in a 2nd half where we couldn’t land a shot, looked like we were playing in quick sand.
And yes it was a “famous victory” for the Wallabies…
I went out to their training through the week out at Waverley , hawks ground , and was leaning on the fence watching with my boys , and Shand approached me and we had a good chat ( nice fella ) .
He told me , the boys were pretty fatigued and sore , not sure what team we are going to name , lots of sore bodies he said , after their big win in South Africa a few days before . Going off what he was telling me they seemed a bit flat and knocked about .
I put it down to that . -
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - Perth@KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Wallabies have beaten ABs in Aus pre-world cup in the last 4 RWC years.
07 - MCG
11 - Suncorp
15 - Homebush
19 - PerthThrow in '91 and '99.
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@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Steve said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@taniwharugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Stevenson has been released, so he won't be playing.
All Blacks hopeful Shaun Stevenson will leave the team before their Bledisloe Cup trip to Melbourne in a fortnight, despite impressing in training.
Mafileo is still with the squad though.
Ah Jesus . What a waste.
Foster is an idiot.
Considering the compliments he's publicly given to SS, you wonder if it was Schmidt and/or McLeod who had reservations.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@Steve said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
@taniwharugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:
Stevenson has been released, so he won't be playing.
All Blacks hopeful Shaun Stevenson will leave the team before their Bledisloe Cup trip to Melbourne in a fortnight, despite impressing in training.
Mafileo is still with the squad though.
Ah Jesus . What a waste.
Foster is an idiot.
Considering the compliments he's publicly given to SS, you wonder if it was Schmidt and/or McLeod who had reservations.
Well I kind of go along with whoever makes decision. I think SS has been bloody good at Super this year, but I not sure I would put him ahead of anyone in team. I think we need to look at how ABs operate the best, seems with 2 2 playmaker game, and without a Havili there I think it really suits us to have either BB or DMac as 15.
