All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
but Christie quite good
Baffling.
I'm no Christie fan, but my gut feel was that his defence was really strong, and his passing was good. He has sort of fallen into the Cane camp, where people struggle to acknowledge the good things he does... I still wouldn't have him in my WC squad, but he was not the worst part of that halves pairing, not by a longshot.
@frugby his defence has never been an issue.
Its speed of clearance and decision making where he struggles, and this in combo with Dmac who was struggling, made for a very poor 40 mins.
Most of the team came out better after whatever rocket Fozzie gave them at half time.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones I’d be having a quiet word with Perofeta too if I was Fozzie…
I'm not going to judge a ten outside that abysmal halfback performance.
I would've said Jordan is a really good wing and an average fullback, Faingaanuku doesn't offer anything more than Clarke so can go bye - but again tough to judge when the halfback takes so long to distribute, if he even makes it to the breakdown.
Couldn't disagree more regarding Faingaanuku .... unless you want him to make a break and full over a bit more?
Fainga’anuku and Clarke should both make the squad if we’re taking a 4 wingers with Jordan and Telea the other two. Unless they drop one of the power wingers to accomodate someone like Stevenson?
I'd be tempted to take McLeod over one of them. Thought he had a good go at imitating Jordie tonight.
Agreed. Was very impressed by McLeod for a debut. Direct, accurate, good decisions, raw boned.
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Hospital pass for Razor next year without Smith, Whitelock, Retallick, you would have to say. As to Christie, the question has to be asked again. What do they see in him?
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@frugby his defence has never been an issue.
Its speed of clearance and decision making where he struggles, and this in combo with Dmac who was struggling, made for a very poor 40 mins.
Most of the team came out better after whatever rocket Fozzie gave them at half time.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
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Not one of ST's finest games, lineout throwing was wonky and was quiet around the field. Don't remember any dominate pick and goes from him.
@JayCee said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Not one of ST's finest games, lineout throwing was wonky and was quiet around the field. Don't remember any dominate pick and goes from him.
He doesn't seem as physically dynamic and impactful as he did earlier in his career, perhaps he is being worked out better by the opposition?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
Yeah, his anticipation is second to none, you almost never see him running/jogging to a ruck where the ball is already being presented.
Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on Hooper.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
The time from the player tackled to pass away was halved with Smith, it was that obvious.
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Not one of ST's finest games, lineout throwing was wonky and was quiet around the field. Don't remember any dominate pick and goes from him.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.
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Hospital pass for Razor next year without Smith, Whitelock, Retallick, you would have to say. As to Christie, the question has to be asked again. What do they see in him?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
Yes but no one else in the ABs radar (Weber, Roigard, TJ, Fakatava) is twice as slow as Smith. Fakatava is almost as fast, as is Roigard, with Weber and TJ slower. Christie is so slow, and really doesn't have that knowing where the ruck is going to be awareness, so arrives late. decides slowly, clears slowly. Obviously he's still good, but not ABs good.
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@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.
Find me a halfback with something even close to the speed of delivery of Smith. Weber is probably the nearest, but even then it is a noticeable drop.
Not to say Roigard and Fakatava aren't really good, but they aren't close to Smith when it comes to speed of delivery.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
By the end of the game it was very hard for me to watch the other players, his ability to not just get to but predict accurately where every ruck and breakdown was about to happen and position himself was like a free masterclass. We have been very lucky to have Aaron Smith in the All Blacks.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
Yeah, his anticipation is second to none, you almost never see him running/jogging to a ruck where the ball is already being presented.
Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on Hooper.
@Tordah said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on McReight.
His insistence on playing out from deep looked to me like he was playing what he'd been told. An uncomfortable game plan combined with crap ball could throw anyone. I'd have been throwing the ball at the coach, it's pretty unfair.
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@Tordah said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on McReight.
His insistence on playing out from deep looked to me like he was playing what he'd been told. An uncomfortable game plan combined with crap ball could throw anyone. I'd have been throwing the ball at the coach, it's pretty unfair.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Tordah said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on McReight.
His insistence on playing out from deep looked to me like he was playing what he'd been told. An uncomfortable game plan combined with crap ball could throw anyone. I'd have been throwing the ball at the coach, it's pretty unfair.
Yes because that earlier game where he was playing flat he was a different player. I wonder if they were trying something out or they just don't think Christie can handle passing to a flat 10?
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I thought McKenzie was our worst player by a mile. His in-play kicking and decision making was the worst part of what we were doing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.
Find me a halfback with something even close to the speed of delivery of Smith. Weber is probably the nearest, but even then it is a noticeable drop.
Not to say Roigard and Fakatava aren't really good, but they aren't close to Smith when it comes to speed of delivery.
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Its speed of clearance and decision making
The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners
I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.
Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.
Find me a halfback with something even close to the speed of delivery of Smith. Weber is probably the nearest, but even then it is a noticeable drop.
Not to say Roigard and Fakatava aren't really good, but they aren't close to Smith when it comes to speed of delivery.
It's not about being Smith good, it's about being halfback good.
At least pick one of the 3 facets there to get right - arrival, distribution or decision making.
Not tackling.
