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All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II

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  • frugbyF frugby

    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Its speed of clearance and decision making

    The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners

    I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.

    Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.

    Find me a halfback with something even close to the speed of delivery of Smith. Weber is probably the nearest, but even then it is a noticeable drop.

    Not to say Roigard and Fakatava aren't really good, but they aren't close to Smith when it comes to speed of delivery.

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    @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Its speed of clearance and decision making

    The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners

    I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.

    Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.

    Find me a halfback with something even close to the speed of delivery of Smith. Weber is probably the nearest, but even then it is a noticeable drop.

    Not to say Roigard and Fakatava aren't really good, but they aren't close to Smith when it comes to speed of delivery.

    It's not about being Smith good, it's about being halfback good.

    At least pick one of the 3 facets there to get right - arrival, distribution or decision making.

    Not tackling.

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    • BovidaeB Bovidae

      @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

      I thought McKenzie was our worst player by a mile.

      Nepo says hello. Too slow on D and back to his customary handling errors.

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      @Bovidae Yes, Nepo was also very poor.

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        nostrildamus
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        Seems to me Lomax, De Groot are our top two, Newell and WIlliams (in that order) have potential, Laulala is back in the rear, not sure exactly where I'd put Ofa, doesn't really stand out anywhere but didn't make obvious errors to me either..

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          Is Finau really challenging Shannon? I'd imagine Shannon shades him in the lineouts (as that is "apparently" a perceived strength) but Finau looks more physical. If Jacobson is the clear utility backup, that makes things even harder for Akira (also a 6/8).

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          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

            Is Finau really challenging Shannon? I'd imagine Shannon shades him in the lineouts (as that is "apparently" a perceived strength) but Finau looks more physical. If Jacobson is the clear utility backup, that makes things even harder for Akira (also a 6/8).

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            Bones
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            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

            Is Finau really challenging Shannon? I'd imagine Shannon shades him in the lineouts (as that is "apparently" a perceived strength) but Finau looks more physical. If Jacobson is the clear utility backup, that makes things even harder for Akira (also a 6/8).

            I don't think he is, but it was great to see we have someone who can easily step up at 6 without Frizzel. I saw in the pre match highlights Finau wearing 8 for the chiefs too...

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            • menceyM mencey

              The worst half of Rugby from the all blacks I have ever seen just about. Dmac has been shit. What has happened to Samisoni Taukei'aho FFS. This is just embarrassing. I can hear Eddie now. Joke

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              @mencey said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

              The worst half of Rugby from the all blacks I have ever seen just about

              Didn't watch 3rd Ireland test last year?

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              • S SBW1

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

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                @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

                LOL -
                They give Finlay Christie a 6 and Aaron Smith a 6.

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                • FrankF Frank

                  @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

                  LOL -
                  They give Finlay Christie a 6 and Aaron Smith a 6.

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                  @Frank And what the heck does this even mean?

                  1. Luke Jacobson: Just 10 minutes given to a player the selectors surely wanted to see more from. N/R
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                    I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

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                    • FrankF Frank

                      @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

                      LOL -
                      They give Finlay Christie a 6 and Aaron Smith a 6.

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                      @Frank said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                      @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

                      LOL -
                      They give Finlay Christie a 6 and Aaron Smith a 6.

                      Thanks, I certainly shan't read that one

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                      • M Mattasaurus

                        I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

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                        @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                        I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

                        He's been worse than Cheika used to be! Doesn't look happy eh.

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                        • M Mattasaurus

                          I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

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                          @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                          I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

                          Eddie vs Cheika during England vs Australia was top box stuff, shame this year didn't seem to have the same fireworks but at least Cheika got some revenge:
                          https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/eddie-jones-rivalry-with-michael-cheika-reignites-as-wallabies-hunt-sevenyear-first/news-story/93b44e561e1355d674824ff8da945d80

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                          • BonesB Bones

                            @Frank And what the heck does this even mean?

                            1. Luke Jacobson: Just 10 minutes given to a player the selectors surely wanted to see more from. N/R
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                            @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                            @Frank And what the heck does this even mean?

                            1. Luke Jacobson: Just 10 minutes given to a player the selectors surely wanted to see more from. N/R

                            I believe N/R means No rating.

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                              Aus with the choke

                              Not mental, they ran out of air

                              Excellent comeback from NZ. The big time players stood up big time

                              Fitting way for Nugget to say goodbye

                              Feel for DMac. Shit being outside Ginge and made terrible choices under pressure

                              At this stage, Eddie will be the happier of the two coaches going into the RWC

                              Barring injuries and some seriously stupid play they should win the Pool and meet Argentina in the QF

                              By that stage, it's a case of last man standing but their passage to a SF and a massive over achievement based on current results and ranking looks more likely than NZ's

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                              • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                                No way should Finau or Christie be getting on the plane.

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                                @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                                No way should Finau or Christie be getting on the plane.

                                50% correct at full time

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                                  Ofa T had his best game in black IMO. He should be on the plane. It seems he has given his silly penalties to Williams.

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                                    • canefanC canefan

                                      @Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                                      @Steve said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                                      DMAC wasn't getting fast pill like this.

                                      Way back at the start of the thread I side 'i wonder what DMac will look like with Christie handbrakes' we can see he looks shit

                                      Would be interesting to see how RM looks with Christie at 9. Not great I'd wager. The difference in separation between the two lines with Smith on is remarkable

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                                      @canefan said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                                      Would be interesting to see how RM looks with Christie at 9. Not great I'd wager.

                                      I recall BB looking shit with Christie starting at 9 against Scotland last year. But BB was also pretty shit that day.

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                                      • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

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                                        @Daffy-Jaffy

                                        Eddie ‘We’re going in the right direction.”

                                        That was our C team and some of those players won’t be on the plane to France.

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                                          Classic Eddie at the presser ,

                                          Fozzie is doing a good job , but I saw him the other day putting his application in at centre link

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