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All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II

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  • His BobnessH His Bobness

    I do agree with what someone else was saying that DMac was probably under instructions to stand deeper to accommodate Christieโ€™s laboured clearance. That didnโ€™t excuse his poor non-contestable kicks, but that pairing was a disaster. Webber - who has an established combination with DMac - should be on the plane ahead of Christie. The only possible argument against it is that Brad is on his way overseas, but so is half of the rest of the existing team. The biggest problem in the first half, though, was the starting front row. Williamsโ€™ penalties opened the door for the Wallabies, while Laulala was back to his sloppy worst. That they couldnโ€™t get ascendancy over an Australian front row down to its third or fourth choice props speaks volumes. It was also a bad day at the office for usually excellent Sam T at hooker. So nothing much went right in the first 40 minutes. But as Mike Snow says above, the fact that the senior contingent steadied the ship so calmly in the second half was testament to their resilience and bodes well for the crunch games ahead. Foster rolled the selection dice on this one and nearly came a cropper.

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    @His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    I do agree with what someone else was saying that DMac was probably under instructions to stand deeper to accommodate Christieโ€™s laboured clearance. That didnโ€™t excuse his poor non-contestable kicks, but that pairing was a disaster. Webber - who has an established combination with DMac - should be on the plane ahead of Christie. The only possible argument against it is that Brad is on his way overseas, but so is half of the rest of the existing team. The biggest problem in the first half, though, was the starting front row. Williamsโ€™ penalties opened the door for the Wallabies, while Laulala was back to his sloppy worst. That they couldnโ€™t get ascendancy over an Australian front row down to its third or fourth choice props speaks volumes. It was also a bad day at the office for usually excellent Sam T at hooker. So nothing much went right in the first 40 minutes. But as Mike Snow says above, the fact that the senior contingent steadied the ship so calmly in the second half was testament to their resilience and bodes well for the crunch games ahead. Foster rolled the selection dice on this one and nearly came a cropper.

    Bell is arguably first choice Aussie LH. The real questions were on other side.

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      @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

      . Thought Leicester played himself onto the plane, whereas Stevenson did not do enough. Jordan will remain at 14, he wasn't that flash at 15.

      I got the feeling that Stevenson and Jordan swapped positions in the second half, I'd need a proper re watch to check.

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      @Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

      @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

      . Thought Leicester played himself onto the plane, whereas Stevenson did not do enough. Jordan will remain at 14, he wasn't that flash at 15.

      I got the feeling that Stevenson and Jordan swapped positions in the second half, I'd need a proper re watch to check.

      I donโ€™t recall that, but was saying to Pakman Jr. around 65 that Iโ€™d like to see it.

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      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

        @Bovidae said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

        There were a lot of missed tackles by the midfield backs in both teams in this game. ALB was the best of them, only missing one tackle.

        Ennor only missed one tackle also.

        Kerevi missed 4 tackles. Ouch.

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        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

        @Bovidae said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

        There were a lot of missed tackles by the midfield backs in both teams in this game. ALB was the best of them, only missing one tackle.

        Ennor only missed one tackle also.

        Kerevi missed 4 tackles. Ouch.

        Yeah, he played less than 40 mins so I don't include him. LF wasn't great either for a big guy.

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          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

          @Bovidae said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

          There were a lot of missed tackles by the midfield backs in both teams in this game. ALB was the best of them, only missing one tackle.

          Ennor only missed one tackle also.

          Kerevi missed 4 tackles. Ouch.

          Yeah, he played less than 40 mins so I don't include him. LF wasn't great either for a big guy.

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          @Bovidae I was surprised he was that inactive in defence.

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          • BonesB Bones

            @sparky Great to see how busy Finau was (17), only beaten in the tackle count by Cane (19). Taukeiaho was busy too eh (15).

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            @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

            @sparky Great to see how busy Finau was (17), only beaten in the tackle count by Cane (19). Taukeiaho was busy too eh (15).

            Tackling seemed a lot easier in second half. Wobblies were rampaging in first 30.

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              @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

              @sparky Great to see how busy Finau was (17), only beaten in the tackle count by Cane (19). Taukeiaho was busy too eh (15).

              Tackling seemed a lot easier in second half. Wobblies were rampaging in first 30.

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              @pakman said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

              @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

              @sparky Great to see how busy Finau was (17), only beaten in the tackle count by Cane (19). Taukeiaho was busy too eh (15).

              Tackling seemed a lot easier in second half. Wobblies were rampaging in first 30.

              McLeod was the only sub that missed tackles. No one made more than 4 either.

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                Another interesting stat is Smith's 51 passes, versing Christie's 46.

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                  @NTA said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                  Savea getting a turnover from an offside position is unhelpful.

                  Our ruck security was not helped by bad decisions on the pick n go. No support.

                  And the scrum disintegrating....

                  Well, I wondered if Eddie had passed on some old tricks at scrum time. Looked like Bell had slightly pulled back rather than taking weight causing Nepo to overextend. He clearly thought the penalty ought to have gone other way. And Williams seemed amused by way ref had wool pulled over his eyes at first scrum.
                  Your finishing TH seems to be an aspiring pilot.

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                  @pakman said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                  @NTA said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                  Savea getting a turnover from an offside position is unhelpful.

                  Our ruck security was not helped by bad decisions on the pick n go. No support.

                  And the scrum disintegrating....

                  Well, I wondered if Eddie had passed on some old tricks at scrum time. Looked like Bell had slightly pulled back rather than taking weight causing Nepo to overextend. He clearly thought the penalty ought to have gone other way. And Williams seemed amused by way ref had wool pulled over his eyes at first scrum.
                  Your finishing TH seems to be an aspiring pilot.

                  Bell didn't take the weight. Should have been penalized. I suspect some shenanigans on T. William's side as well. That means good scrumming on the convicts' side though. It will be worse when the ABs are against the wily NH bastards. Hence Moody has got to be on the plane for France.

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                    @pakman said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                    @NTA said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                    Savea getting a turnover from an offside position is unhelpful.

                    Our ruck security was not helped by bad decisions on the pick n go. No support.

                    And the scrum disintegrating....

                    Well, I wondered if Eddie had passed on some old tricks at scrum time. Looked like Bell had slightly pulled back rather than taking weight causing Nepo to overextend. He clearly thought the penalty ought to have gone other way. And Williams seemed amused by way ref had wool pulled over his eyes at first scrum.
                    Your finishing TH seems to be an aspiring pilot.

                    Bell didn't take the weight. Should have been penalized. I suspect some shenanigans on T. William's side as well. That means good scrumming on the convicts' side though. It will be worse when the ABs are against the wily NH bastards. Hence Moody has got to be on the plane for France.

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                    @Old-Samurai-Jack We will have to prepare and be alive to scrum shenanigans though as I dont trust those French farkers at all.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      Another interesting stat is Smith's 51 passes, versing Christie's 46.

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                      @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                      Another interesting stat is Smith's 51 passes, versing Christie's 46.

                      ๐Ÿ‘

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        Another interesting stat is Smith's 51 passes, versing Christie's 46.

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                        @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                        Another interesting stat is Smith's 51 passes, versing Christie's 46.

                        33% possession in the first half not going to give the Ranga as many passing opportunities

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                        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                          @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                          Another interesting stat is Smith's 51 passes, versing Christie's 46.

                          33% possession in the first half not going to give the Ranga as many passing opportunities

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                          @ACT-Crusader Especially if others are passing from the breakdown. I just thought it was interesting how in half the time, Smith was able to go well past the amount of passes.

                          The possession thing can be flipped over to defence, which Christie gets praise for - yet he was only tackling at half the rate Smith was ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                          • sparkyS sparky

                            @gt12 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

                            Is this the worst 40 minutes from an All blacks first five in history? Fuck heโ€™s terrible.

                            Offering Simon Mannix in the first test against France at Lancaster Park in 1993 for your consideration.

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                            @sparky Good call although the pedant in me wants to point out it was 1994 not 93.

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                              https://www.instagram.com/p/Cvnl825Bw6k/

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                                Watching the first 20 minutes again. Scrum penalty against Williams was bullshit (Australia pulling back), and Canes missed tackle at 6min was a shocker.

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                                  McKenzie gets a zero for effort on that missed tackle that cost Hoopers try.

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                                    All three frontrowers missed tackles on Bell at about 9:20 in. Remarkably poor.

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                                      At 12:30, that knock down by the Austrlian looked to be at least a penalty. There was a 3 on one overlap.

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                                        At 12:30, that knock down by the Austrlian looked to be at least a penalty. There was a 3 on one overlap.

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                                        @Tim Petaia? I thought that on first viewing, but seems the ref thought it was a genuine attempt.

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                                        • BonesB Bones

                                          @Tim Petaia? I thought that on first viewing, but seems the ref thought it was a genuine attempt.

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                                          @Bones He had to really stretch/dive to attempt it, and never had the ability to get a hand in a realistic position to catch it.

                                          The scrum penalty at 17:00 was absolute bullshit, Bell folded passively. Awful refereeing. No English refs please.

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