All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
South Africa 1 last year was the bottom for me. God we sucked, and the scoreline flattered us.
The turnaround in 7 days was enormous
For me it was losing a home series to Ireland. They looked well-coached, innovative and sure of their game-plan. We looked out of ideas. Some of their star players being Kiwis (with Maori or Pacific heritage to boot) was the icing on the cake. The only positive was that we didn’t lose at Eden Park.
@Billy-Tell yeah, there is always the chance of a banana skin...if there was no chance then it wouldnt be exciting...the first loss to ireland...first lost to argentina...i could be convinced they were just banana skins....but second and third and fourth losses including not only at home but series at home......
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In 2016 my afl team Richmond had a very disappointing season, after an intense review end of the year , the head coach kept his job , but they changed the assistants around him .
They also completely changed the game plan, they went on to win 3 of the next 4 premierships .
Now I’m not saying it’s the same and we are heading for the same success, but it is feeling a bit similar at this point in time.
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
In 2016 my afl team Richmond had a very disappointing season, after an intense review end of the year , the head coach kept his job , but they changed the assistants around him .
They also completely changed the game plan, they went on to win 3 of the next 4 premierships .
Now I’m not saying it’s the same and we are heading for the same success, but it is feeling a bit similar at this point in time.
If I understand you correctly, what you’re saying is the ABs are not winning the AFL?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
In 2016 my afl team Richmond had a very disappointing season, after an intense review end of the year , the head coach kept his job , but they changed the assistants around him .
They also completely changed the game plan, they went on to win 3 of the next 4 premierships .
Now I’m not saying it’s the same and we are heading for the same success, but it is feeling a bit similar at this point in time.
If I understand you correctly, what you’re saying is the ABs are not winning the AFL?
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
In 2016 my afl team Richmond had a very disappointing season, after an intense review end of the year , the head coach kept his job , but they changed the assistants around him .
They also completely changed the game plan, they went on to win 3 of the next 4 premierships .
Now I’m not saying it’s the same and we are heading for the same success, but it is feeling a bit similar at this point in time.
If I understand you correctly, what you’re saying is the ABs are not winning the AFL?
given the way the AFL season is going? They are a chance
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@mariner4life well, the luck of the Irish forced the coaching changes (so yeah, luck wrong word there) but this helped with the forward play, while injury to Havili (unlucky for him) forced the positional switch of JB, alkong with some other injuries, so those have assisted with getting the peices of the puzzle to fit.
I mean what happened last year or so with the coaches was pretty unprecedented for the ABs, so I dont think you could put what happened into a plan that was ever divised by anyone, so yeah luck is the wrong word, but some decisions were made, that were not of Fosters doing or part of any plan.
I still maintain some of the play last year v the Irish was up there as some of the worst I have seen from the ABs, but that is just my opinion.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life well, the luck of the Irish forced the coaching changes (so yeah, luck wrong word there) but this helped with the forward play, while injury to Havili (unlucky for him) forced the positional switch of JB, alkong with some other injuries, so those have assisted with getting the peices of the puzzle to fit.
I mean what happened last year or so with the coaches was pretty unprecedented for the ABs, so I dont think you could put what happened into a plan that was ever divised by anyone, so yeah luck is the wrong word, but some decisions were made, that were not of Fosters doing or part of any plan.
I still maintain some of the play last year v the Irish was up there as some of the worst I have seen from the ABs, but that is just my opinion.
The thing with Havili he only came into the squad when Goodhue and ALB got injured so he was never a first choice. Circumstance bought that on too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played him there. Even more so when DMac went offshore.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life well, the luck of the Irish forced the coaching changes (so yeah, luck wrong word there) but this helped with the forward play, while injury to Havili (unlucky for him) forced the positional switch of JB, alkong with some other injuries, so those have assisted with getting the peices of the puzzle to fit.
I mean what happened last year or so with the coaches was pretty unprecedented for the ABs, so I dont think you could put what happened into a plan that was ever divised by anyone, so yeah luck is the wrong word, but some decisions were made, that were not of Fosters doing or part of any plan.
I still maintain some of the play last year v the Irish was up there as some of the worst I have seen from the ABs, but that is just my opinion.
The thing with Havili he only came into the squad when Goodhue and ALB got injured so he was never a first choice. Circumstance bought that on too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played him there. Even more so when DMac went offshore.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
A bit early in the week to start this thread, but I am interested in some squad ponderification this week.
This is where I think Foz et al have some scope to tweak and test a bit.
Stuff I'd like to see:
Williams get another crack. Either starting or bench. I think he gives us something different off the bench later in the year, but wouldn't mind him starting this time. Williams 1, Groot 17.
Could give Coles some game time. Start Samisoni. Coles to bench.
Someone (@Chris ?) suggested Newell maybe on the bench. Would be happy with that.
Barrett has a break. ("Drop" MOTM!) Start the old guys, Lord comes off bench.
Assuming Cane comes back and Ardie stays at 8, then 6 and bench is open for some rotation for me. Want to give Jacobsen some time at 8, so bring him off the bench and start Finau.
Start Roigard, Ginge on bench. Christie playing for his spot.
Keep Richie at 10, ALB at 12, Roane at 13. Try McLeod on bench.
Jordan at 15, Telea and Narawa on the wings (Telea can play both sides huh?).
DMac bench.
I'd hope that's not too much rotation.
Back to the 1st XV (with one or two rotations on the bench) at Twickers v Jaaps.
- Booboo Fozzie 1 Williams Williams 2 Taukei'aho Taukei'aho 3 Lomax Laulala 4 Retallick Retallick 5 Whitelock Whitelock 6 Finau Finau 7 Cane Cane 8 Savea Savea 9 Roigard Christie 10 Mounga McKenzie 11 Telea Fainga’anuku 12 Lienert-Brown Lienert-Brown 13 Ioane Ennor 14 Narawa Stevenson 15 Jordan Jordan 16 Coles Coles 17 De Groot Tu’ungafasi 18 Newell Newell 19 Lord Vaa’i 20 Jacobsen Jacobsen 21 Christie Smith 22 McLeod McLeod 23 McKenzie Mounga 16 of 22.
9 of 15.
7 of 8.Fozzie went close to getting it right.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life well, the luck of the Irish forced the coaching changes (so yeah, luck wrong word there) but this helped with the forward play, while injury to Havili (unlucky for him) forced the positional switch of JB, alkong with some other injuries, so those have assisted with getting the peices of the puzzle to fit.
I mean what happened last year or so with the coaches was pretty unprecedented for the ABs, so I dont think you could put what happened into a plan that was ever divised by anyone, so yeah luck is the wrong word, but some decisions were made, that were not of Fosters doing or part of any plan.
I still maintain some of the play last year v the Irish was up there as some of the worst I have seen from the ABs, but that is just my opinion.
The thing with Havili he only came into the squad when Goodhue and ALB got injured so he was never a first choice. Circumstance bought that on too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played him there. Even more so when DMac went offshore.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played there. Even more so when DMac went offshore.
best of the guys allowed to play there
There is no evidence he was better than Jordan would have been
There is evidence he's probably not as good as in-form BB, but at that point they still thought BB was a 10 -
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Dunedin is soft now
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/132680961/early-drinking-discouraged-before-afternoon-all-black-test’We are mindful of when people start drinking, some people will start drinking at lunchtime prior to the game,’’ Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond said.
Lunchtime ? If they were really dedicated they’d be drinking at the crack of dawn.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Dunedin is soft now
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/132680961/early-drinking-discouraged-before-afternoon-all-black-test’We are mindful of when people start drinking, some people will start drinking at lunchtime prior to the game,’’ Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond said.
Lunchtime ? If they were really dedicated they’d be drinking at the crack of dawn.
Surely, they should be happy that there is less time to pre-load?
As opposed to lunch with beers.
Beers with Beers
Walk to Ground
Beers
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life well, the luck of the Irish forced the coaching changes (so yeah, luck wrong word there) but this helped with the forward play, while injury to Havili (unlucky for him) forced the positional switch of JB, alkong with some other injuries, so those have assisted with getting the peices of the puzzle to fit.
I mean what happened last year or so with the coaches was pretty unprecedented for the ABs, so I dont think you could put what happened into a plan that was ever divised by anyone, so yeah luck is the wrong word, but some decisions were made, that were not of Fosters doing or part of any plan.
I still maintain some of the play last year v the Irish was up there as some of the worst I have seen from the ABs, but that is just my opinion.
The thing with Havili he only came into the squad when Goodhue and ALB got injured so he was never a first choice. Circumstance bought that on too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played him there. Even more so when DMac went offshore.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played there
2021 he was first in the TSF's aggregate MOTM voting while playing fullback. He was one of the few players to have a strong year. 2022 he wasn't quite as good at fullback
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played there
2021 he was first in the TSF's aggregate MOTM voting while playing fullback. He was one of the few players to have a strong year. 2022 he wasn't quite as good at fullback
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again in true TSF broken record form, Jordie was the best fullback in the team so it was only natural that they played there
2021 he was first in the TSF's aggregate MOTM voting while playing fullback. He was one of the few players to have a strong year. 2022 he wasn't quite as good at fullback
I reckon last year he looked a little flat after playing a hell of a lot of minutes for the Canes.
There was huge excitement on here when they moved him from the wing to fullback and he made an immediate difference there.
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wasn't 2021 peak "we hate everyone they all suck!"
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
16 of 22.
Arithmetic not your thing then?
Aren't you an engineer?
Disappointing from the Fern's very own Grammarly.
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
16 of 22.
Arithmetic not your thing then?
Aren't you an engineer?
Disappointing from the Fern's very own Grammarly.
Used to be 21 back in my day... can't keep up with these new fanged ... mumble
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
178 + 145= 243
Stunning and brave.
Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond is disappointed with me
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
178 + 145= 243
Stunning and brave.
Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond is disappointed with me
@Machpants Was going to say your navigation skills might not be what they used to be.
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What people have omitted about Foster's current run of wins is that it is on the back of a remarkable period with almost no injuries.
The few injuries we have had have been forwards, where we do have a bit of depth.
An injury to Aaron Smith would be crucial. I suppose he might start Roigard, but Foster has rarely shown such courage.
Mo'unga too, given that I think he would move Beauden Barrett back to #10.
I like ALB, but he won't be the man we need to replace Jordie Barrett.
With Beauden Barrett at fullback, we need to have Mark Telea and WIll Jordan playing.
That's a lot of guys to keep fully fit for a stretch of six big matches.
