All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II
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Tinkering much. No. I'd like Roigard to start but ain't gonna happen possibly being Azza's last home game. Like to see Jacobsen start for Paps with Cane to bench
and T Williams to bench also. In a perfect world this would have been an ideal debut for SS instead of BB but guessing we wont see that.@Jailbreak7 I actually think it is better if they start Roigard and then Aaron comes off the bench to finish the game, reckon that is better than him sitting on the bench for the final however many minutes of his swansong in Dunedin!
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@game_film said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still think the mindset for this game is to crush the Wallabies. Can’t lose it. One more game, then it’s the B team vs Boks in London. Nobody will care about the result there as it’s just a money game. Wallabies at home in Aaron’s final home game matters though. Turn up for France in the group then they can rotate the rest of the pool stages.
No, that's not the abs attitude. It's the boks, they might take more risks, but they will still care. The same reason that foster is not coach going forward, winning the RWC use great, and the pinnacle, but you can't just be shit in between them.
There won't be too much experimentation, as the abs will have to hit the ground running versus Frances in the next one. There is likely to be a few more versus Oz, as they are an easier beat, imo
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@game_film said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still think the mindset for this game is to crush the Wallabies. Can’t lose it. One more game, then it’s the B team vs Boks in London. Nobody will care about the result there as it’s just a money game. Wallabies at home in Aaron’s final home game matters though. Turn up for France in the group then they can rotate the rest of the pool stages.
No, that's not the abs attitude. It's the boks, they might take more risks, but they will still care. The same reason that foster is not coach going forward, winning the RWC use great, and the pinnacle, but you can't just be shit in between them.
There won't be too much experimentation, as the abs will have to hit the ground running versus Frances in the next one. There is likely to be a few more versus Oz, as they are an easier beat, imo
Yep. This whole "don't care about the result" thing is the antithesis of what the ABs have always been about. Every game should matter, regardless of the stakes. Even if we win the RWC, all those limp dick losses to Argentina and Ireland will still be a stain on the record. Way too much focus is placed on the RWC. Rugby isn't fŭcking soccer with friendlies and all that shjt.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Why the fuck is Tupou travelling? His ribs are shot. He could barely run after the last scrum he was involved in, and barely get up after that last hit he took.
Not to mention he should be sitting out a few games...
Plus just quietly I thought he looked overweight to me anyway, even trotting onot field he looked sluggish.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Why the fuck is Tupou travelling? His ribs are shot. He could barely run after the last scrum he was involved in, and barely get up after that last hit he took.
Not to mention he should be sitting out a few games...
Plus just quietly I thought he looked overweight to me anyway, even trotting onot field he looked sluggish.
Because Eddie has once again said the players aren't fit enough.
Every Wallaby coach had said this for the last decade, and nothing improves at provincial or individual level.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@game_film said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still think the mindset for this game is to crush the Wallabies. Can’t lose it. One more game, then it’s the B team vs Boks in London. Nobody will care about the result there as it’s just a money game. Wallabies at home in Aaron’s final home game matters though. Turn up for France in the group then they can rotate the rest of the pool stages.
No, that's not the abs attitude. It's the boks, they might take more risks, but they will still care. The same reason that foster is not coach going forward, winning the RWC use great, and the pinnacle, but you can't just be shit in between them.
There won't be too much experimentation, as the abs will have to hit the ground running versus Frances in the next one. There is likely to be a few more versus Oz, as they are an easier beat, imo
Yep. This whole "don't care about the result" thing is the antithesis of what the ABs have always been about. Every game should matter, regardless of the stakes. Even if we win the RWC, all those limp dick losses to Argentina and Ireland will still be a stain on the record. Way too much focus is placed on the RWC. Rugby isn't fŭcking soccer with friendlies and all that shjt.
@Rancid-Schnitzel Not saying the guys wearing the jersey won’t care, of course they will. If they lose 32-21 Fozzy won’t be losing sleep over it. But let’s call it what it is - a money game. It’s a hope there’s no injuries and give everyone a run out game. It’s week 4 of NFL preseason. The guys on the field are trying, but the coaches and everyone else ain’t bothered.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Not saying the guys wearing the jersey won’t care, of course they will. If they lose 32-21 Fozzy won’t be losing sleep over it. But let’s call it what it is - a money game. It’s a hope there’s no injuries and give everyone a run out game. It’s week 4 of NFL preseason. The guys on the field are trying, but the coaches and everyone else ain’t bothered.
@game_film said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Not saying the guys wearing the jersey won’t care, of course they will. If they lose 32-21 Fozzy won’t be losing sleep over it. But let’s call it what it is - a money game. It’s a hope there’s no injuries and give everyone a run out game. It’s week 4 of NFL preseason. The guys on the field are trying, but the coaches and everyone else ain’t bothered.
Week 4 of NFL preseason? No offence, but you clearly don't get it. You're a Bok supporter right?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Not saying the guys wearing the jersey won’t care, of course they will. If they lose 32-21 Fozzy won’t be losing sleep over it. But let’s call it what it is - a money game. It’s a hope there’s no injuries and give everyone a run out game. It’s week 4 of NFL preseason. The guys on the field are trying, but the coaches and everyone else ain’t bothered.
@game_film said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Not saying the guys wearing the jersey won’t care, of course they will. If they lose 32-21 Fozzy won’t be losing sleep over it. But let’s call it what it is - a money game. It’s a hope there’s no injuries and give everyone a run out game. It’s week 4 of NFL preseason. The guys on the field are trying, but the coaches and everyone else ain’t bothered.
Hate to break it to you , but I care. I care about every test, don't get too upset about results, but I genuinely care about them all, and I guessing most rugby followers do!
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I’d love to see Jacobson get more game time especially if Blackadder isn’t ready yet. I don’t think Jacobson has the size to start at 6/8 against the big teams but he’s a great squad/bench option due to his versatility. IMO he’s the best defensive 6/8 we have in terms of accuracy and efficacy.
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Scott Barrett has actually been the best lock the entire season. I think his performance at lock means he won't go to 6.
Going forward, I think Retallick will become the impact lock with Whitelock and Barrett starting.
I hope they give Lord more minutes next week.
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Scott Barrett has actually been the best lock the entire season. I think his performance at lock means he won't go to 6.
Going forward, I think Retallick will become the impact lock with Whitelock and Barrett starting.
I hope they give Lord more minutes next week.
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Still think the mindset for this game is to crush the Wallabies. Can’t lose it. One more game, then it’s the B team vs Boks in London. Nobody will care about the result there as it’s just a money game. Wallabies at home in Aaron’s final home game matters though. Turn up for France in the group then they can rotate the rest of the pool stages.
@game_film said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Still think the mindset for this game is to crush the Wallabies. Can’t lose it. One more game, then it’s the B team vs Boks in London. Nobody will care about the result there as it’s just a money game. Wallabies at home in Aaron’s final home game matters though. Turn up for France in the group then they can rotate the rest of the pool stages.
Too many memories of Gregan knocking the ball out of Goldie's hands, Eales kicking the winning goal out of time, and 4 more years. Stick the boot on the throat and crush them like a bug
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Scott Barrett has actually been the best lock the entire season. I think his performance at lock means he won't go to 6.
Going forward, I think Retallick will become the impact lock with Whitelock and Barrett starting.
I hope they give Lord more minutes next week.
@Frank said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Scott Barrett has actually been the best lock the entire season. I think his performance at lock means he won't go to 6.
Going forward, I think Retallick will become the impact lock with Whitelock and Barrett starting.
I hope they give Lord more minutes next week.
Funny how that’s panned out ie, emergence of Frizell and Barrett’s form where he’s now our premier lock.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
If Foster is willing to make a few changes and give a few guys with lesser minutes some gametime then we'll presumably see something like:
1 Tu'ungafasi
2 Taukei'aho
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Jacobson
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Smith
10 Mo'unga
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Barrett
13 Lienert-Brown
14 Narawa
15 McKenzie16 Coles
17 Williams
18 Newell / Lomax
19 Lord / Vaa'i
20 Finau
21 Roigard
22 McLeod / Ennor
23 JordanI think Foster does not consider ALB as a centre but rather as a 2nd five. If Rieko is rested, then it would be for making room for Ennor.
Jacobson + Cane + Savea look too small for a back row, IMO. Finau or Vaa'i could be the "6", with Jacobson on the bench.@cgrant said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I think Foster does not consider ALB as a centre but rather as a 2nd five. If Rieko is rested, then it would be for making room for Ennor.
Other way around, I think.
While Fozzie has been head coach he's started ALB 11 times at centre and once at 2nd five.
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What’s the status of Blackadder, Newell and Moody?
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
What’s the status of Blackadder, Newell and Moody?
Nice to see you back on a semi-regular basis, Bob.
Newell is apparently good to go this weekend. Moody and Blackadder aren't officially squad members, so pretty unlikely to appear.
However, Jason Ryan said Moody (and Havili) have been training with the squad (Kirsty Stanaway added Blackadder's name to that list, but I'm not sure if that is true).
I think they need to keep a reasonably strong core group of players for this game, so that you learn something about the guys who slot in. Too many newbies and it becomes a Barbarians style where systems fall apart.
Not much room for sentiment IMO though. I would cotton wool Aaron Smith. Roigard to start, Christie on the bench with McLeod.
DMac at fullback. Big Leicester on the left wing. Maybe ALB at centre.
Codie Taylor can have a rest - maybe the two starting props. Maybe Scott Barrett starts at 6. Cane probably back.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I think Foster does not consider ALB as a centre but rather as a 2nd five. If Rieko is rested, then it would be for making room for Ennor.
Other way around, I think.
While Fozzie has been head coach he's started ALB 11 times at centre and once at 2nd five.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
While Fozzie has been head coach he's started ALB 11 times at centre and once at 2nd five.
That has been because of who has also been in the midfield with ALB. Usually Havili but also Goodhue. On the few occasions that ALB has combined with Ioane it has been at 2nd 5. Melbourne being the most recent example. The ability to play 12/13 makes him the perfect sub, unlike Havili and Ennor.
So I can see JB-ALB or ALB-Ioane as options.
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Scott Barrett has actually been the best lock the entire season. I think his performance at lock means he won't go to 6.
Going forward, I think Retallick will become the impact lock with Whitelock and Barrett starting.
I hope they give Lord more minutes next week.
@Frank said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Scott Barrett has actually been the best lock the entire season. I think his performance at lock means he won't go to 6.
Going forward, I think Retallick will become the impact lock with Whitelock and Barrett starting.
I hope they give Lord more minutes next week.
personally i think it more a case of frizell finally showing some form that will keep scooter at lock, fozzie has shown he believe form in one position should carry directly into other positions so i think if frizell wasn't performing we'd definitely see scooter back there
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
While Fozzie has been head coach he's started ALB 11 times at centre and once at 2nd five.
That has been because of who has also been in the midfield with ALB. Usually Havili but also Goodhue. On the few occasions that ALB has combined with Ioane it has been at 2nd 5. Melbourne being the most recent example. The ability to play 12/13 makes him the perfect sub, unlike Havili and Ennor.
So I can see JB-ALB or ALB-Ioane as options.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
That has been because of who has also been in the midfield with ALB. Usually Havili but also Goodhue. On the few occasions that ALB has combined with Ioane it has been at 2nd 5. Melbourne being the most recent example. The ability to play 12/13 makes him the perfect sub, unlike Havili and Ennor.
So I can see JB-ALB or ALB-Ioane as options.
Yeah I think ALB is pencilled in as the midfield cover for the big matches. It explains why they have been looking at a specialist wing on the bench. Halfback/ALB/Wing covers the backs when you have Jordan & BB starting
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I liked the look of Jordan at 15.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I liked the look of Jordan at 15.
Running the ball yes, but when he came into first receiver as a playmaker (as has been the case for all our fullbacks for the past 10 years), he didn’t look as comfortable I thought. He’s great on the wider channels because he uses the space so well, but tighter in he looks to have some work ons.
Even though he was the Crusaders fullback, they rarely use him in that type of role.
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Scott had been our most consistent lock for a while, now bringing SR form into internationals. Both bbbr and Sam have had real injury and/or form dips last few years
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Scott had been our most consistent lock for a while, now bringing SR form into internationals. Both bbbr and Sam have had real injury and/or form dips last few years
I think the biggest change has been that he has managed to cut out the brain dead shit he used to do on a regular basis.
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as a bit of a stab
1 ofa T
2 sami
3 newell
4 vaii
5 whitelock
6 finau
7 cane/paps
8 jacobson
9 roigard
10 dmac
11 clarke
12 j barrett
13 alb
14 EN
15 jordon16 coles
17 williams
18 laulala
19 bbbr
20 savea/paps
21 ginge
22/23 mo / BB /lester /ennor two of
