EPL 2023/2024
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Not a good look for the EPL not getting the 5th place CL spot.
One of its biggest selling points is the strength of teams from No. 1 -20.
Supporters snare at leagues like Bundesliga calling it a farmer league (this year it is a ‘pharma’ league though!
) but City are turning it into one as well.@DaGrubster bad season but remember ….
EPL has had 3 diff teams win it in the last 5 years. That’s pretty impressive.
Has any other league even come close to that?
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Any Everton fans here?
They are in dire straits when it comes to finances and look to be in danger of going into administration.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68835735
They have a potential buyer in a Miami based company called 777 but doesn’t look as though they have the funding in place.
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@DaGrubster bad season but remember ….
EPL has had 3 diff teams win it in the last 5 years. That’s pretty impressive.
Has any other league even come close to that?
@MajorRage
You have to go a bit further back than that for 3 winners although you could say they have had 4 in 8 years then as you could include Leicester.
I know what you are saying but 4 in a row is unprecedented in the English top flight.
I hope that it does remain competitive. Maybe when Pep leaves, or if the 115 charges are proven it may make it more open again.
Spain have had 3 winners in 5 years - Barca, RM and athletico
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@DaGrubster bad season but remember ….
EPL has had 3 diff teams win it in the last 5 years. That’s pretty impressive.
Has any other league even come close to that?
@MajorRage said in EPL 2023/2024:
@DaGrubster bad season but remember ….
EPL has had 3 diff teams win it in the last 5 years. That’s pretty impressive.
Has any other league even come close to that?
Across next biggest leagues in Europe, not counting this year:
La liga: 3 different champs in the last three years (and last five)
Serie a: 4 different champs in the last four years (and last five)
Ligue 1: 2 in last 5 years, have to go back 7 years for a third
Bundesliga: 1 in the last 5, have to go back 15 years for three -
Back in the day Liverpool x3, Nottingham forest x2 and Aston Villa x1, won it over 6 consecutive seasons between 76-82
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@MajorRage
Ah, sorry thought you meant the EPL
@DaGrubster yeah I can see why - clear as mud as usual!
Regardless point stands that it’s poor result for the EPL to have none in SF and hence no 5th spot, but to have 3 different recent winners shows the strength of the league.
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Liverpool and West Ham have both pulled one back. Liverpool should be 2-0 up on the night but Salah continues his dreadful form with an appalling miss 1-1 with the keeper
Villa thru on pens
Yeah, it was a poor miss from Salah, I think it actually comes off his shin.
Feels like we are seeing the last moments of a Liverpool legend with Salah at the moment.
Atalanta are a pretty good side
Liverpool not really creating much.
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@MajorRage said in EPL 2023/2024:
I mean 3 diff teams win the big dog, the champs league
Aside from the other instance of EPL teams pointed out by @dogmeat, la liga almost did it between 2014 and 2018. All 5 years were won by either Barcelona or Real Madrid, but Athletico Madrid lost two finals (once in extra time and one on penalties) in that period. Winning either of those games would have meant the champions league was won three years in succession by three different Spanish teams. Over those 5 years, 7 of the possible 10 finalists spots were Spanish teams.
Athlecico Madrid have a particularly torturous relationship with the champions league - they've made three finals, and been drawn after full time in all of them, losing one after a replay, one after extra time and one after penalties. Basically the complete set of ways-to-lose-the-tie-breaker.
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This is fun - some more what ifs with defeated finalists. The EPL could have had a third instance of 3-in-5 with an Arsenal win in 2006 (to go with Liverpool in 2005 and man u in 2008. If Chelsea won in 2008 and Man U in 2009 then the EPL could have had 4 different teams win in 5 years.
If Leverkusen win in 2002 then the Germans manage 3 different winners in 6 years (to go with Dortmund in 97 and Bayern in 2001).
The Italians could also have had 3 different winners in 6 years with a Roma win in 84 (was a loss to Liverpool in a shoot out), to go with Juventus in 85 and Milan in 89.
Doesn't look like there are any other 'near misses'.
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elsewhere for all the talk about the pyramid being England's unique strength the EPL fat cats get their way and replays are now a thing of the past.
Another case of the greed and self-interest of the Top 6 looking to ensure no one can break into their cosy little club. The changes to FFP are more directly about that but this decision shows no sympathy for lower tier clubs, their financial positions or their fans.
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I think that Villa match aged me about 20 years haha.
Emi Martinez standing tall once again in a shootout.
Roll on Olympiacos.
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Came perilously close to a sending off though! What happens if a keeper gets a red in a shootout? I assume no subs are allowed but one of the 10 remaining players are allowed to take over as keeper?
@Cyclops You can't apparently as it's deemed separate to the actual game or something like that haha as he was already on a yellow from the game which is my understanding.
And there's confusion as to whether the yellow was cancelled out as he was asking the ball boy for a ball as it got thrown on as Watkins was lining up his shot?
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elsewhere for all the talk about the pyramid being England's unique strength the EPL fat cats get their way and replays are now a thing of the past.
Another case of the greed and self-interest of the Top 6 looking to ensure no one can break into their cosy little club. The changes to FFP are more directly about that but this decision shows no sympathy for lower tier clubs, their financial positions or their fans.
@dogmeat I agree with your general principle but not on this point. There are so many games, adding another when there is a recognized tie break method (which has decided all of the ultimate prizes), seems pointless to me.
Draws are very common in football (Sherlock Holmes here). If they were infrequent then I’d totally agree.
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@dogmeat I agree with your general principle but not on this point. There are so many games, adding another when there is a recognized tie break method (which has decided all of the ultimate prizes), seems pointless to me.
Draws are very common in football (Sherlock Holmes here). If they were infrequent then I’d totally agree.
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elsewhere for all the talk about the pyramid being England's unique strength the EPL fat cats get their way and replays are now a thing of the past.
Another case of the greed and self-interest of the Top 6 looking to ensure no one can break into their cosy little club. The changes to FFP are more directly about that but this decision shows no sympathy for lower tier clubs, their financial positions or their fans.
Unfortunately, the big 6 (actually I don’t think city are that much of a draw) are the draw for all the broadcasting rights.
As it is, the season is an overcrowded mess with multiple clubs having their worst injury crises ever and in some periods , having to play up to 8 games a month in the process.
If you want to see the danger for a club trying to break into CL places artificially. Click on the link above around Everton. They are in financial dire straits. And Everton are big club.
The hope for the footballing pyramid is
that the deal they are trying to agree will be a consistent increase in revenue sharing that can be distributed down all of the clubs, which was a bargaining chip when it came to scrapping replays. I won’t hold my breath on that if I was in the 4th tier.Yes it does take away some of the romance of the FA Cup but realistically, how many clubs actually manage to get replays with a big side? Very few.
