RWC warmup - England v Wales
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Yup, Owens is spot on here.
The whole business is a compete disgrace. Andy Farrell whinging about the effect on his family is bullshit IMO. Yes there has been an unedifying pile on and OF's taken a heap of crap from commentators. But it is 100% deserved, and 90% self-inflicted - first by his cynical & dangerous tackle, and then compounded by him and the RFU deciding to appeal, refusing to accept guilt, and paying a fucking KC to run rings around the panel. Anyone involved with that spineless disciplinary panel should be squirming right now, they got played, and hopefully it'll be put right on appeal.
The mitigation they came up with was nonsense, and as Nigel points out, even if there was any mitigation it can't be applied under the framework if the tackle was illegal from the start anyway.
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@chimoaus said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
The team I feel sorry for is Scotland, they are likely to exit at the pool stage whereas one of these two will likely make a semi-final.
It's cyclical
They underperformed last time and got the seeding which was in place for ALL teams
@MiketheSnow nah. Yeah they underperformed, but the problem is the draw being 3 years out from the event. Scotland have improved so much in the last 2-3 years, it's pretty daft that's not reflected in the pools.
Should make for some great pool matches though.
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@MiketheSnow nah. Yeah they underperformed, but the problem is the draw being 3 years out from the event. Scotland have improved so much in the last 2-3 years, it's pretty daft that's not reflected in the pools.
Should make for some great pool matches though.
@GibbonRib said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
@MiketheSnow nah. Yeah they underperformed, but the problem is the draw being 3 years out from the event. Scotland have improved so much in the last 2-3 years, it's pretty daft that's not reflected in the pools.
Should make for some great pool matches though.
Better for them to be knocked out at the pool stage by teams ranked higher than them than inferior opposition like Wales or Australia
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@GibbonRib said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
@MiketheSnow nah. Yeah they underperformed, but the problem is the draw being 3 years out from the event. Scotland have improved so much in the last 2-3 years, it's pretty daft that's not reflected in the pools.
Should make for some great pool matches though.
Better for them to be knocked out at the pool stage by teams ranked higher than them than inferior opposition like Wales or Australia
@MiketheSnow Better still if Ireland are knocked out at the pool stage. At least Scotland are occasionally capable of making a semifinal
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Reports that Farrell has been given a 4 match ban starting from the Ireland game last WE.
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And, what's worse, they are counting the match he missed against Ireland as one of the matches that count toward his suspension. Quite bizarre how this can happen when he missed selection for that game despite being completely free from suspension and available for selection at the time the game took place.
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Starting point is 6 matches
How the fuck did he get the reduction to 4?
Just fuck off World Rugby
You dropped the ball over the line
@MiketheSnow said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
Starting point is 6 matches
How the fuck did he get the reduction to 4?
Just fuck off World Rugby
You dropped the ball over the line
"good character", "apology", those mickey mouse factors. It's a ridiculous system
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
Starting point is 6 matches
How the fuck did he get the reduction to 4?
Just fuck off World Rugby
You dropped the ball over the line
"good character", "apology", those mickey mouse factors. It's a ridiculous system
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So the question now is what to do with those that rescinded the card?
Have to be off the payroll surely.
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And, what's worse, they are counting the match he missed against Ireland as one of the matches that count toward his suspension. Quite bizarre how this can happen when he missed selection for that game despite being completely free from suspension and available for selection at the time the game took place.
@Higgins I think this is standard practice, so I'm less annoyed by the backdating than the fact that another panel has managed to pull some imaginary mitigation out of their arses.
Entry level is 6 weeks - if anything it should have gone up from there, due to "bad character" (plenty of previous), lack of remorse and pleading innocent.
Let's just say I'm sure that a Tongan, Namibian or Chilean wouldn't have got away with 4.
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@Higgins I think this is standard practice, so I'm less annoyed by the backdating than the fact that another panel has managed to pull some imaginary mitigation out of their arses.
Entry level is 6 weeks - if anything it should have gone up from there, due to "bad character" (plenty of previous), lack of remorse and pleading innocent.
Let's just say I'm sure that a Tongan, Namibian or Chilean wouldn't have got away with 4.
@GibbonRib said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
Let's just say I'm sure that a Tongan, Namibian or Chilean wouldn't have got away with 4.
Moala got mitigated down to 5 weeks from 10 weeks entry point (which he is now appealing)
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@GibbonRib said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
Let's just say I'm sure that a Tongan, Namibian or Chilean wouldn't have got away with 4.
Moala got mitigated down to 5 weeks from 10 weeks entry point (which he is now appealing)
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@KiwiMurph have to admit I haven't seen that one, I should go look it up.
Not sure if you're saying this in agreement or disagreement with my comment?
@GibbonRib said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
@KiwiMurph have to admit I haven't seen that one, I should go look it up.
Not sure if you're saying this in agreement or disagreement with my comment?
Disagreement. Moala got 50% mitigation reduction.
Farrell got 33% mitigation reduction (due to his prior record so not eligible for tackle school).
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@GibbonRib said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:
@KiwiMurph have to admit I haven't seen that one, I should go look it up.
Not sure if you're saying this in agreement or disagreement with my comment?
Disagreement. Moala got 50% mitigation reduction.
Farrell got 33% mitigation reduction (due to his prior record so not eligible for tackle school).
@KiwiMurph correction: Farrell got a 100% reduction - he was, astoundingly, found to have not committed a red card offence.
It took a big backlash from the global rugby community, including plenty of English press and former players, and an appeal from WR for him to actually receive any sanction, and even then he got a 33% reduction.
