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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
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    #574

    It seems that the Heartland PUs were behind Proposal 2 as well.

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    • DuluthD Duluth

      @Bovidae said in NZR review:

      I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

      Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

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      Kiwiwomble
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      #575

      @Duluth said in NZR review:

      @Bovidae said in NZR review:

      I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

      Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

      which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

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      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

        @Duluth said in NZR review:

        @Bovidae said in NZR review:

        I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

        Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

        which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

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        #576

        @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

        @Duluth said in NZR review:

        @Bovidae said in NZR review:

        I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

        Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

        which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

        Prop 1 was Pilkington

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        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

          @Duluth said in NZR review:

          @Bovidae said in NZR review:

          I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

          Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

          which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

          DonsteppaD Offline
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          Donsteppa
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          #577

          @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

          which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

          Now there's a loaded question 🙂

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          • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

            @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

            which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

            Now there's a loaded question 🙂

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            Kiwiwomble
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            #578

            @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

            @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

            which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

            Now there's a loaded question 🙂

            no idea what you mean :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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            • DuluthD Duluth

              @Bovidae said in NZR review:

              I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

              Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

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              SouthernMann
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              #579

              @Duluth said in NZR review:

              @Bovidae said in NZR review:

              I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

              Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

              It will be interesting to see if there is a bit of a divide between the provinces that supported different proposals.

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              • DonsteppaD Offline
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                Donsteppa
                wrote on last edited by Donsteppa
                #580

                As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

                Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
                “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

                “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

                “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

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                • G Offline
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                  george33
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                  #581

                  Sounds like Rob Nicol has backed down on original comments

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                  • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

                    @Duluth said in NZR review:

                    @Bovidae said in NZR review:

                    I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

                    Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

                    It will be interesting to see if there is a bit of a divide between the provinces that supported different proposals.

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                    Bovidae
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                    #582

                    @SouthernMann said in NZR review:

                    It will be interesting to see if there is a bit of a divide between the provinces that supported different proposals.

                    Or more importantly, within SR franchises. That appears to be the case at the Chiefs (Waikato/Taranaki vs BOP). I've no idea how CM voted.

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                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                      @SouthernMann said in NZR review:

                      It will be interesting to see if there is a bit of a divide between the provinces that supported different proposals.

                      Or more importantly, within SR franchises. That appears to be the case at the Chiefs (Waikato/Taranaki vs BOP). I've no idea how CM voted.

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                      george33
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                      #583

                      @Bovidae proposal 2

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                      • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                        As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

                        Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
                        “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

                        “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

                        “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

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                        Winger
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #584

                        @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

                        As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

                        Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
                        “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

                        “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

                        “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

                        👍

                        The shareholders have made their (decisive) decision. Anyone not in alignment with this decision should step aside. Not try and continue fighting

                        Starting with the NZR Board. A good starting point anyway would be to appoint a new Board using this new proposal. Hopefully it can attract the required talent.

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                        • SouthernMannS Offline
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                          SouthernMann
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #585

                          Well done to NZR for holding this on budget day too.

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                          • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

                            Well done to NZR for holding this on budget day too.

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                            Donsteppa
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #586

                            @SouthernMann said in NZR review:

                            Well done to NZR for holding this on budget day too.

                            And on no Rebels in Super Rugby day. And all the rest of the news headlines too...

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                            • G george33

                              Sounds like Rob Nicol has backed down on original comments

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                              gt12
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #587

                              @george33 said in NZR review:

                              Sounds like Rob Nicol has backed down on original comments

                              Where is that?

                              I see 'expressed disappointment'?

                              I wouldn't expect them to throw the toys today, I would expect they'll now make a decision to live with it or try to do something else?

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                              • WingerW Winger

                                @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

                                As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

                                Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
                                “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

                                “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

                                “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

                                👍

                                The shareholders have made their (decisive) decision. Anyone not in alignment with this decision should step aside. Not try and continue fighting

                                Starting with the NZR Board. A good starting point anyway would be to appoint a new Board using this new proposal. Hopefully it can attract the required talent.

                                gt12G Offline
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                                gt12
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #588

                                @Winger said in NZR review:

                                @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

                                As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

                                Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
                                “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

                                “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

                                “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

                                👍

                                The shareholders have made their (decisive) decision. Anyone not in alignment with this decision should step aside. Not try and continue fighting

                                Starting with the NZR Board. A good starting point anyway would be to appoint a new Board using this new proposal. Hopefully it can attract the required talent.

                                You understand that is exactly what the professional players have threatened?

                                I'm fascinated to see whether they go through with it or not.

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                                • G george33

                                  @Bovidae proposal 2

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                                  Bovidae
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #589

                                  @george33 said in NZR review:

                                  proposal 2

                                  So split 50/50.

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                                  • DuluthD Offline
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                                    Duluth
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                                    #590

                                    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2024/05/rugby-players-association-boss-rob-nichol-reaffirms-commitment-to-break-away-from-nzr-after-groundbreaking-vote.html

                                    Nicholl says NZRPA will now begin working with its stakeholders to establish that independent panel.
                                    
                                    "We aren't going running out of this country or anything like that," he clarified. "We're more committed to rugby and professional rugby in this country than anyone, including the community game and grass roots. 
                                    
                                    "What we're talking about is a tribunal that comes together in order to ensure really good decisions on behalf of the professional game, to make sure it's effective and efficient as possible, and delivers what the game wants in this country.
                                    
                                    "We want to put something together where we come together to make sure we make really good decisions for pro rugby. What we won't do is trust New Zealand Rugby under this government structure to go off and make those decisions by themselves.
                                    
                                    The model isn't unprecedented, with French rugby currently operating with a governing body that runs the game alongside the national union.
                                    
                                    "It's coming from a perspective of what we feel the professional game is going to need in terms of connecting those stakeholders and getting them together, making good decisions and getting them on the same page getting good alignment.  
                                    
                                    "So we'd be surprised if people don't want to go down the path."
                                    
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                                    • DuluthD Duluth

                                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2024/05/rugby-players-association-boss-rob-nichol-reaffirms-commitment-to-break-away-from-nzr-after-groundbreaking-vote.html

                                      Nicholl says NZRPA will now begin working with its stakeholders to establish that independent panel.
                                      
                                      "We aren't going running out of this country or anything like that," he clarified. "We're more committed to rugby and professional rugby in this country than anyone, including the community game and grass roots. 
                                      
                                      "What we're talking about is a tribunal that comes together in order to ensure really good decisions on behalf of the professional game, to make sure it's effective and efficient as possible, and delivers what the game wants in this country.
                                      
                                      "We want to put something together where we come together to make sure we make really good decisions for pro rugby. What we won't do is trust New Zealand Rugby under this government structure to go off and make those decisions by themselves.
                                      
                                      The model isn't unprecedented, with French rugby currently operating with a governing body that runs the game alongside the national union.
                                      
                                      "It's coming from a perspective of what we feel the professional game is going to need in terms of connecting those stakeholders and getting them together, making good decisions and getting them on the same page getting good alignment.  
                                      
                                      "So we'd be surprised if people don't want to go down the path."
                                      
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                                      Winger
                                      wrote on last edited by Winger
                                      #591

                                      @Duluth said in NZR review:

                                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2024/05/rugby-players-association-boss-rob-nichol-reaffirms-commitment-to-break-away-from-nzr-after-groundbreaking-vote.html

                                      Nicholl says NZRPA will now begin working with its stakeholders to establish that independent panel.
                                      
                                      "We aren't going running out of this country or anything like that," he clarified. "We're more committed to rugby and professional rugby in this country than anyone, including the community game and grass roots. 
                                      
                                      "What we're talking about is a tribunal that comes together in order to ensure really good decisions on behalf of the professional game, to make sure it's effective and efficient as possible, and delivers what the game wants in this country.
                                      
                                      "We want to put something together where we come together to make sure we make really good decisions for pro rugby. What we won't do is trust New Zealand Rugby under this government structure to go off and make those decisions by themselves.
                                      
                                      The model isn't unprecedented, with French rugby currently operating with a governing body that runs the game alongside the national union.
                                      
                                      "It's coming from a perspective of what we feel the professional game is going to need in terms of connecting those stakeholders and getting them together, making good decisions and getting them on the same page getting good alignment.  
                                      
                                      "So we'd be surprised if people don't want to go down the path."
                                      

                                      He gone power mad. Like Union boss that thinks it's all about him

                                      My view this is a great day for rugby. The PU's made a stand and refused to have all the power grabbed from them. But, also realize that NZR needs a much better-quality Board. This might now happen

                                      And Aust now only has 4 super rugby teams. It should be three but 4 is much better than 5.

                                      Rob should accept this decision and see how it works out. If the new Board is as bad as the old one, then do his thing. If he can't do this then step aside. Because he's creating a very negative energy that NZ rugby doesn't need. Esp right now

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                                      • DuluthD Duluth

                                        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2024/05/rugby-players-association-boss-rob-nichol-reaffirms-commitment-to-break-away-from-nzr-after-groundbreaking-vote.html

                                        Nicholl says NZRPA will now begin working with its stakeholders to establish that independent panel.
                                        
                                        "We aren't going running out of this country or anything like that," he clarified. "We're more committed to rugby and professional rugby in this country than anyone, including the community game and grass roots. 
                                        
                                        "What we're talking about is a tribunal that comes together in order to ensure really good decisions on behalf of the professional game, to make sure it's effective and efficient as possible, and delivers what the game wants in this country.
                                        
                                        "We want to put something together where we come together to make sure we make really good decisions for pro rugby. What we won't do is trust New Zealand Rugby under this government structure to go off and make those decisions by themselves.
                                        
                                        The model isn't unprecedented, with French rugby currently operating with a governing body that runs the game alongside the national union.
                                        
                                        "It's coming from a perspective of what we feel the professional game is going to need in terms of connecting those stakeholders and getting them together, making good decisions and getting them on the same page getting good alignment.  
                                        
                                        "So we'd be surprised if people don't want to go down the path."
                                        
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                                        Donsteppa
                                        wrote on last edited by Donsteppa
                                        #592

                                        "We're more committed to rugby and professional rugby in this country than anyone, including the community game and grass roots.

                                        That's a strong statement from Mr Nichol. But it's going to be fabulous now seeing him and all of his NZRPA members out at the grounds before 8am each Saturday, giving up their time for free...

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                                          #593

                                          i think the biggest problem is you can't get two people in NZ to agree what the game should look like

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