NZR review
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One thing that's abundantly clear is that under Robinson there's a real lack of leadership. He's displayed a complete lack of ability to introduce change (which is needed in the game) without getting the required people on side and making a mess of it.
Silverlake, the Fozzie will we or wont we fire him saga and this recent one.
In part this vacum has been filled by Rob Nicol and we have to give him credit for that, however I can't help but feel that it's gone to Robs head somewhat, with his erregous claims and blatent lies that the NZRPA will take care of a amatuer and grassroots game in NZ.
- It's not his job to do so
- There's no way he or his organisation could possibly do that
It could only have possibly been said to get some good PR and play politics (which apparently we all don't like).
It's sadly a long way from the days of Jock Hobbs where everyone in NZ rugby seemed aligned on what was good for the game and for the AB's, this current bunch appear to be acting purely out of self interest.
In sayign that I still cirles this back mainly to be the fault of Robinson - in the absence of leadership and direction people simly fend and try and get the best for themesles as they can't rely on anyone else. This appears to be what's playing out now in NZ rugby.
@Windows97 You do know Robinson doesn't make these decisions. A CEO is really just there carrying out (or should be) the will of the board. I was always amused when people bagged him when the Fozzie thing was happening, he didn't appoint him, the board did, and he certainly couldn't fire him. Have a sneaky peek what happened in Aus with Eddie Jones, he was emplyed by the chaiman and board, and CEO didn't want a lot to do with it.
On NZR Robinson and Razor are mates who played together etc, and I always had impression he would rather have Razor. But as board wanted Foaster he rightfully backed him. Same as things now I have feeling he is for Pilkington report, but he should do as he did shut up, it's not his decision.
Same as whether the PUs are right or worng thing, he should never crticise them in public, he couldn't do job if he did! -
One thing that's abundantly clear is that under Robinson there's a real lack of leadership. He's displayed a complete lack of ability to introduce change (which is needed in the game) without getting the required people on side and making a mess of it.
Silverlake, the Fozzie will we or wont we fire him saga and this recent one.
In part this vacum has been filled by Rob Nicol and we have to give him credit for that, however I can't help but feel that it's gone to Robs head somewhat, with his erregous claims and blatent lies that the NZRPA will take care of a amatuer and grassroots game in NZ.
- It's not his job to do so
- There's no way he or his organisation could possibly do that
It could only have possibly been said to get some good PR and play politics (which apparently we all don't like).
It's sadly a long way from the days of Jock Hobbs where everyone in NZ rugby seemed aligned on what was good for the game and for the AB's, this current bunch appear to be acting purely out of self interest.
In sayign that I still cirles this back mainly to be the fault of Robinson - in the absence of leadership and direction people simly fend and try and get the best for themesles as they can't rely on anyone else. This appears to be what's playing out now in NZ rugby.
@Windows97 don't forget the utter debacle approaching Australian Super franchises behind their board's back
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@Tim From the article:
However, before that happens two steps must take place: the formation of a new Governance Advisory Panel (GAP) and then the new Appointments and Remuneration Panel (ARP).
The Post understands the following three provincial union GAP representatives have been selected: Kate Daly, a former Auckland rugby board member, Corey Kennett, the chief executive of the Horowhenua-Kapiti Rugby Union and Andrew Golightly, the chair of the Northland Rugby Union.
Pauline-Jean Luyten, an emerging NZ Rugby director last year, will be the Pasifika representative, while Anne-Marie Jackson has been informally put forward by the Māori Rugby Board.
But under Proposal Two, the Super Rugby franchises and the NZRPA were to fill the other two positions on the GAP, and they are yet to submit representatives.
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@Tim From the article:
However, before that happens two steps must take place: the formation of a new Governance Advisory Panel (GAP) and then the new Appointments and Remuneration Panel (ARP).
The Post understands the following three provincial union GAP representatives have been selected: Kate Daly, a former Auckland rugby board member, Corey Kennett, the chief executive of the Horowhenua-Kapiti Rugby Union and Andrew Golightly, the chair of the Northland Rugby Union.
Pauline-Jean Luyten, an emerging NZ Rugby director last year, will be the Pasifika representative, while Anne-Marie Jackson has been informally put forward by the Māori Rugby Board.
But under Proposal Two, the Super Rugby franchises and the NZRPA were to fill the other two positions on the GAP, and they are yet to submit representatives.
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The media release:
Income of $268m continues to track strongly in 2023
NZR Reserves almost double to $175m
NZR+ streaming platform launched in time for the RWC23 in France
$42m invested in community Game DevelopmentThere is a pdf of the Financial Statement that can be viewed via a link in the article.
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Robinson said the overall operating result was heavily impacted by a truncated Rugby Championship, the lack of the mid-year home series, Māori All Blacks or All Blacks XV matches, and just two domestic tests.
The result was a 39% decrease in match-day income from $28m to $17m. Broadcast income also decreased by $16m due to the impact of the 2023 Rugby World Cup.
damn, that seems like a lot, all would have been forecast and not hosting those games but have saved money but i guess your still paying salaries etc
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From a paywalled NZH article
With their governance change proposal in danger of falling at the first hurdle, the provincial unions will use New Zealand Rugby’s annual general meeting to force through constitutional change to enable them to handpick individuals to represent major stakeholders who are actively boycotting the proposed new structure. If the resolution proposed by North Harbour is passed at next Friday’s AGM, it will mean that New Zealand Māori Rugby Board (NZMRB), New Zealand Rugby Players’ Association (NZRPA) and the Super Rugby Clubs (SRC) will have people they don’t support or endorse represent them in a governance system they don’t want to be part of.What the unions are effectively doing is circumnavigating their own proposal by rewriting it in such a way that they will control every step of the governance process and never need any buy-in from any other stakeholder to retain their dominant position.Under the same resolution, the constitution will be changed to lower the number of people who need to serve on the proposed Governance Advisory Panel (GAP) for it to be recognised as a quorum – a belt and braces move to ensure that even if the unions can’t coerce pseudo representatives of the NZMRB, NZRPA and SRC to serve on the GAP, it will still be recognised as a constitutionally viable entity. -
What a surprise, no wonder the RPA wanted no part of option 2. As pointed out in this thread, it is very possible for the provinces to hijack. And they appear to be going to do so, preemptively, before the option is even in place. What a mess, and rugby will continue is downward spiral in NZ
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Quite obvious that the professional arm needs to strike out and follow through on their "threat". The modern game shouldn't be hamstrung by amateurism.
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What a surprise, no wonder the RPA wanted no part of option 2. As pointed out in this thread, it is very possible for the provinces to hijack. And they appear to be going to do so, preemptively, before the option is even in place. What a mess, and rugby will continue is downward spiral in NZ
@Machpants said in NZR review:
What a surprise, no wonder the RPA wanted no part of option 2. As pointed out in this thread, it is very possible for the provinces to hijack. And they appear to be going to do so, preemptively, before the option is even in place. What a mess, and rugby will continue is downward spiral in NZ
But what can you do when you are dealing with children like this
individuals to represent major stakeholders who are actively boycotting the proposed new structure.
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and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
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@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
@Winger said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
The professionals want to take over the professional part of the game?
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From a paywalled NZH article
With their governance change proposal in danger of falling at the first hurdle, the provincial unions will use New Zealand Rugby’s annual general meeting to force through constitutional change to enable them to handpick individuals to represent major stakeholders who are actively boycotting the proposed new structure. If the resolution proposed by North Harbour is passed at next Friday’s AGM, it will mean that New Zealand Māori Rugby Board (NZMRB), New Zealand Rugby Players’ Association (NZRPA) and the Super Rugby Clubs (SRC) will have people they don’t support or endorse represent them in a governance system they don’t want to be part of.What the unions are effectively doing is circumnavigating their own proposal by rewriting it in such a way that they will control every step of the governance process and never need any buy-in from any other stakeholder to retain their dominant position.Under the same resolution, the constitution will be changed to lower the number of people who need to serve on the proposed Governance Advisory Panel (GAP) for it to be recognised as a quorum – a belt and braces move to ensure that even if the unions can’t coerce pseudo representatives of the NZMRB, NZRPA and SRC to serve on the GAP, it will still be recognised as a constitutionally viable entity. -
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
@Winger said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
I read the article looking for some major new injustice by the Provincial Unions only to find that those who didn’t get everything their own way ( only 95% ) are holding out for the other 5%. An article about the bleaters still bleating.
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Not specifically about the review but NZR had their AGM today. We'll see what comes out of that meeting.
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
