NZR review
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Quite obvious that the professional arm needs to strike out and follow through on their "threat". The modern game shouldn't be hamstrung by amateurism.
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What a surprise, no wonder the RPA wanted no part of option 2. As pointed out in this thread, it is very possible for the provinces to hijack. And they appear to be going to do so, preemptively, before the option is even in place. What a mess, and rugby will continue is downward spiral in NZ
@Machpants said in NZR review:
What a surprise, no wonder the RPA wanted no part of option 2. As pointed out in this thread, it is very possible for the provinces to hijack. And they appear to be going to do so, preemptively, before the option is even in place. What a mess, and rugby will continue is downward spiral in NZ
But what can you do when you are dealing with children like this
individuals to represent major stakeholders who are actively boycotting the proposed new structure.
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and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
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@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
@Winger said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
The professionals want to take over the professional part of the game?
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From a paywalled NZH article
With their governance change proposal in danger of falling at the first hurdle, the provincial unions will use New Zealand Rugby’s annual general meeting to force through constitutional change to enable them to handpick individuals to represent major stakeholders who are actively boycotting the proposed new structure. If the resolution proposed by North Harbour is passed at next Friday’s AGM, it will mean that New Zealand Māori Rugby Board (NZMRB), New Zealand Rugby Players’ Association (NZRPA) and the Super Rugby Clubs (SRC) will have people they don’t support or endorse represent them in a governance system they don’t want to be part of.What the unions are effectively doing is circumnavigating their own proposal by rewriting it in such a way that they will control every step of the governance process and never need any buy-in from any other stakeholder to retain their dominant position.Under the same resolution, the constitution will be changed to lower the number of people who need to serve on the proposed Governance Advisory Panel (GAP) for it to be recognised as a quorum – a belt and braces move to ensure that even if the unions can’t coerce pseudo representatives of the NZMRB, NZRPA and SRC to serve on the GAP, it will still be recognised as a constitutionally viable entity. -
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
@Winger said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
and there it is
There will never be meaningful change when the very people it will affect the most are in control of it. The Status Quo will live on.
That the narrative from the group who wants to take over the biggest money earner. Who didn't totally get their way
I read the article looking for some major new injustice by the Provincial Unions only to find that those who didn’t get everything their own way ( only 95% ) are holding out for the other 5%. An article about the bleaters still bleating.
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Not specifically about the review but NZR had their AGM today. We'll see what comes out of that meeting.
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
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Not specifically about the review but NZR had their AGM today. We'll see what comes out of that meeting.
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
@Bovidae said in NZR review:
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
She is also a Life Member of my Wellington Football Club, NZs longest continuous rugby-playing club. What’s more, regardless of the weather, she can still be seen on the sidelines watching games practically every Saturday and invariably puts in an appearance in the Club’s Isherwood Lounge afterward. She is certainly what could be described as a true rugby lover and worker for the game, rugby tragic is what some label it!. I would go so far as saying she is the female equivalent of Sir Bee Gee.
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Warring stakeholders, who have spent the last nine months in conflict, agreed at a private meeting before the New Zealand Rugby Annual General Meeting on Friday, to shift the dial to collaboration.
The provincial unions, Super Rugby Clubs [SRC], New Zealand Māori Rugby Board [NZMRB] and New Zealand Rugby Players’ Association [NZRPA] have, at last, agreed to engage in discussions to plot a way forward that will lead to governance change that all parties can live with.
The breakthrough agreement meant that North Harbour withdrew its resolution to further change the constitution to enable the unions to handpick individuals to represent the SRC, NZMRB and NZRPA despite the fact all three major stakeholders were actively boycotting the proposed new governance structure.
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@Bovidae said in NZR review:
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
She is also a Life Member of my Wellington Football Club, NZs longest continuous rugby-playing club. What’s more, regardless of the weather, she can still be seen on the sidelines watching games practically every Saturday and invariably puts in an appearance in the Club’s Isherwood Lounge afterward. She is certainly what could be described as a true rugby lover and worker for the game, rugby tragic is what some label it!. I would go so far as saying she is the female equivalent of Sir Bee Gee.
@Higgins said in NZR review:
@Bovidae said in NZR review:
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
She is also a Life Member of my Wellington Football Club, NZs longest continuous rugby-playing club.
I think thats up for debate isn't it? whist the club existed during the war years they didn't actually field a team, Dunedin RFC founded only a year later has fielded a mens team every year....something for another thread
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@Higgins said in NZR review:
@Bovidae said in NZR review:
Erin Rush is the mother of Stanley Solomon.
She is also a Life Member of my Wellington Football Club, NZs longest continuous rugby-playing club.
I think thats up for debate isn't it? whist the club existed during the war years they didn't actually field a team, Dunedin RFC founded only a year later has fielded a mens team every year....something for another thread
@Kiwiwomble The Wellington Football Club played it's first game using the rules of rugby in 1870 and records indicate they have fielded teams playing under the rules of rugby in every year since then. You might be confusing them with the Nelson Rugby Football Club (formerly Nelson Football Club) who were founded in 1868 and adopted the rules of rugby in 1870 but did not field teams in their own name during the War years. These two played the first official game between Clubs (as opposed to School teams) at Petone on 12 September 1870, Nelson prevailing 2 - 1!
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@Kiwiwomble The Wellington Football Club played it's first game using the rules of rugby in 1870 and records indicate they have fielded teams playing under the rules of rugby in every year since then. You might be confusing them with the Nelson Rugby Football Club (formerly Nelson Football Club) who were founded in 1868 and adopted the rules of rugby in 1870 but did not field teams in their own name during the War years. These two played the first official game between Clubs (as opposed to School teams) at Petone on 12 September 1870, Nelson prevailing 2 - 1!
@Higgins said in NZR review:
@Kiwiwomble The Wellington Football Club played it's first game using the rules of rugby in 1870 and records indicate they have fielded teams playing under the rules of rugby in every year since then. You might be confusing them with the Nelson Rugby Football Club (formerly Nelson Football Club) who were founded in 1868 and adopted the rules of rugby in 1870 but did not field teams in their own name during the War years. These two played the first official game between Clubs (as opposed to School teams) at Petone on 12 September 1870, Nelson prevailing 2 - 1!
Maybe, I know Dunedin RFC have claimed to be the oldest "continuous" club in NZ, i have a commemorative jerseys with it embroidered on it, maybe thats something there was confusion about in the past and has since been cleared up
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So it's settled thank god for that! Everyone seems to of given a little.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350405896/new-zealand-rugby-stakeholders-announce-end-governance-saga-warring-parties -
So it's settled thank god for that! Everyone seems to of given a little.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350405896/new-zealand-rugby-stakeholders-announce-end-governance-saga-warring-parties -
So it's settled thank god for that! Everyone seems to of given a little.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350405896/new-zealand-rugby-stakeholders-announce-end-governance-saga-warring-parties@Dan54 said in NZR review:
So it's settled thank god for that! Everyone seems to of given a little.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350405896/new-zealand-rugby-stakeholders-announce-end-governance-saga-warring-partiesGood to see the stakeholder board has expanded and Union qualification specified. That will stop the provinces being able to push things through in their own interests
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@Dan54 said in NZR review:
So it's settled thank god for that! Everyone seems to of given a little.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350405896/new-zealand-rugby-stakeholders-announce-end-governance-saga-warring-partiesGood to see the stakeholder board has expanded and Union qualification specified. That will stop the provinces being able to push things through in their own interests
@Machpants yep think it balances out. I always want provinces to have an input, as they are who run rugby in their aeras, but like it to be balanced with need to remember it is a professional game.
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Having that settled is good, but only if the new board and management can make hard decisions.
As the discussion in the crowd thread shows, the way forward looks reasonably clear (our NPC-centric and non-NPC centric posters seem to align on the 8-10 team in converged Super/NPC competition idea).
I'm interested to see whether NZRU can get there. I won't hold my breath.
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Having that settled is good, but only if the new board and management can make hard decisions.
As the discussion in the crowd thread shows, the way forward looks reasonably clear (our NPC-centric and non-NPC centric posters seem to align on the 8-10 team in converged Super/NPC competition idea).
I'm interested to see whether NZRU can get there. I won't hold my breath.
@gt12 said in NZR review:
Having that settled is good, but only if the new board and management can make hard decisions.
As the discussion in the crowd thread shows, the way forward looks reasonably clear (our NPC-centric and non-NPC centric posters seem to align on the 8-10 team in converged Super/NPC competition idea).
I'm interested to see whether NZRU can get there. I won't hold my breath.
Realistically we will see no great changes to anything for a year or 2, I would imagine , or even want. It's only the board that runs things, and regardless of what we think/say in general there only needs to be tweeks to how the game is run at board level. Most fof it will be perhaps more commercial, and that all takes time stc.
