RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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Oh Fozzie you really are a moron not selecting Roigard.
As much as I want the ABs to win the WC, I really don’t want Fozzie having success. When he continuously makes cock up after cock up the guy isn’t deserving of being called a WC winning coach.
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh Fozzie you really are a moron not selecting Roigard.
Yes, BUT... I don't think it is as big a deal as some are making out. If the game is close, I suspect Smith to go the 80, because he is our best option by quite a margin for the gameplan we want to use, and has got the fitness levels in the tank to do it.
Put it this way, I strongly doubt having Christie over Roigard will actually be a deciding factor in this World Cup.
Playing with three number sevens on the other hand, I'd suggest it shows a poorly picked squad, because they clearly don't see enough in Jacobson, in which case they should have taken Akira Ioane.
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I just can't wait for this Foster era to finally end. It would be comical if it didn't upset me off so much.
The one player to make an impact last game, lets just drop him.
Lets just pick safe guys who we have tried and failed with.@Darren yeah he loves selecting mediocrity. The guy is a twit.
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@Stargazer would never have guessed ALB and Rieko had barely played together.
@game_film said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Stargazer would never have guessed ALB and Rieko had barely played together.
I suppose if you think about it, Rieko really only started playing test rugby at centre in 2021, and ALB has spent a load of time on the sideline during that period.
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@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh Fozzie you really are a moron not selecting Roigard.
Yes, BUT... I don't think it is as big a deal as some are making out. If the game is close, I suspect Smith to go the 80, because he is our best option by quite a margin for the gameplan we want to use, and has got the fitness levels in the tank to do it.
Put it this way, I strongly doubt having Christie over Roigard will actually be a deciding factor in this World Cup.
Playing with three number sevens on the other hand, I'd suggest it shows a poorly picked squad, because they clearly don't see enough in Jacobson, in which case they should have taken Akira Ioane.
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
He’s only there because some of his players stood up to Robinson. The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
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@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
He’s only there because some of his players stood up to Robinson. The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
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What are you on about? Having someone like Roigard instead of Christie can be huge. Christie could quite easily F up a close game for us, whereas Roigard and his has the ability to turn a game on its head. Why would you select a player that is so limited it isn’t funny VS a player that has genuine skill and impact. Total bonkers.
Yeah but you then suggest we select Ioane who is even less impactful than Finau. Blackadder is the answer and he needs to get on a plane quick smart.
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What are you on about? Having someone like Roigard instead of Christie can be huge. Christie could quite easily F up a close game for us, whereas Roigard and his has the ability to turn a game on its head. Why would you select a player that is so limited it isn’t funny VS a player that has genuine skill and impact. Total bonkers.
Yeah but you then suggest we select Ioane who is even less impactful than Finau. Blackadder is the answer and he needs to get on a plane quick smart.
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What are you on about? Having someone like Roigard instead of Christie can be huge. Christie could quite easily F up a close game for us, whereas Roigard and his ability to snipe has the ability to turn a game on its head. Why would you select a player that is so limited it isn’t funny VS a player that has genuine skill and impact. Total bonkers.
Because for the point I made earlier. Smith will go 70+ anyway, and I reckon if we are up by say 3, he probably sees the game out. What if Roigard goes for a snipe with no support and gives up a penalty? Smith is so far clear of the other two, I really don't think it matters.
Don't get me wrong, I'm camp ABC (Anyone but Christie) and would most definitely have picked Roigard, but I'm 100% certain it won't cost us a game/win us a game at any crucial point in this tournament.
Yeah but you then suggest we select Ioane who is even less impactful than Finau. Blackadder is the answer and he needs to get on a plane quick smart.
Once again, I'm not an Akira Ioane fan by any stretch of the imagination, but the fifth loose forward has to be someone who can competently cover 6&8. Finau can't do this... I like the selection of Jacobson, but if they think Papalii is a better option than him at six, then they should have picked someone else. Blackadder has been injured forever, and I'm still not 100% sure he is actually the saviour some make him out to be, but he wasn't an option when the squad was picked. Akira/PGS are the only other capped players who can play both 6&8, and obviously there is way more weight behind Akira.
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@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What are you on about? Having someone like Roigard instead of Christie can be huge. Christie could quite easily F up a close game for us, whereas Roigard and his ability to snipe has the ability to turn a game on its head. Why would you select a player that is so limited it isn’t funny VS a player that has genuine skill and impact. Total bonkers.
Because for the point I made earlier. Smith will go 70+ anyway, and I reckon if we are up by say 3, he probably sees the game out. What if Roigard goes for a snipe with no support and gives up a penalty? Smith is so far clear of the other two, I really don't think it matters.
Don't get me wrong, I'm camp ABC (Anyone but Christie) and would most definitely have picked Roigard, but I'm 100% certain it won't cost us a game/win us a game at any crucial point in this tournament.
Yeah but you then suggest we select Ioane who is even less impactful than Finau. Blackadder is the answer and he needs to get on a plane quick smart.
Once again, I'm not an Akira Ioane fan by any stretch of the imagination, but the fifth loose forward has to be someone who can competently cover 6&8. Finau can't do this... I like the selection of Jacobson, but if they think Papalii is a better option than him at six, then they should have picked someone else. Blackadder has been injured forever, and I'm still not 100% sure he is actually the saviour some make him out to be, but he wasn't an option when the squad was picked. Akira/PGS are the only other capped players who can play both 6&8, and obviously there is way more weight behind Akira.
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No way will Smith play 70 min every game.
We could bring on an impact sub at 50 or 60, but nope, lets bring on Christie who just slows all our attack down, and reduces any chance we have to win
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@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
Roigard is a seriously good distributor left and right. Haven't even mentioned his passion, kicking ability or running. Should be there.
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@frugby you don’t know that though. Smith being the small human he is could go down early in a game and then we are left with Christie. Surely it’s better to have reassurance knowing that you have a quality replacement, rather than a dud.
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby you don’t know that though. Smith being the small human he is could go down early in a game and then we are left with Christie. Surely it’s better to have reassurance knowing that you have a quality replacement, rather than a dud.
If Smith gets injured we are fucked anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. Roigard is great, and his time will come, but he doesn't have the speed of delivery that Smith offers, which is essential to our gameplan.
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm not sure Smith goes deep into the game. Fozz sticks stubbornly to his plans so Aaron gets the hook mid half, plenty of time for Christie to stunt our go forward with his service at the breakdown
Wouldn't know which team you fellas support... love the patriotism though! There is no evidence either way of what Foster will do, as he has never coached us at a World Cup, but I think on the assumption the game is tight, Smith will play 70+... I guess time will tell.
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
Roigard is a seriously good distributor left and right. Haven't even mentioned his passion, kicking ability or running. Should be there.
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby not from what we saw in the last game, Roigard made a huge impact coming on in that game and was the only one to dot down purely from sheer brilliance. A player like Roigard could be the difference from advancing in a WC playoff game and getting knocked out.
No, Fozzie should have just selected Finau at 6. But it again proves that the guy is so far out of his depth.
The reason the likes of Beauden, Cane etc went into bat for Fozzie after that South African test which saw him keep his job, was because they knew if Razor came in they probably wouldn’t have kept theirs.
Fozzie is far out of his depth.
Roigard is a good player, I never said he isn't... but it is easy to make an impact on a game when you are down by 30 points, as the opposition often takes their foot off of the pedal. If the ABs happened to be losing a tight one vs France in the opening game, I don't think bringing on Roigard v Christie has a major impact, as Smith is our best distributor. Roigard probably will only score one more individual try like that in his test career if he is lucky.
Finau wasn't selected because he lacks versatility... they really wanted Blackadder, who they are no going to get you'd think, and this becomes a non-issue. Finau's time might come, but he himself is a little raw.
Roigard is a seriously good distributor left and right. Haven't even mentioned his passion, kicking ability or running. Should be there.
Roigard has got a good pass no doubt, but he isn't as quick as Smith, and even then his pass isn't as good as Smith's.
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@pakman That pack worries me. Not much go forward. Need forwards that make the gaineline consistently. Apart from Barrett and Ardie, I don't think the rest of the pack can do that.
@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pakman That pack worries me. Not much go forward. Need forwards that make the gaineline consistently. Apart from Barrett and Ardie, I don't think the rest of the pack can do that.
Yes, Laulala will make de Groot look mobile.
I was right about Ofa on the bench, and LF too. But Christie!!
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For starters. Laser like focus needed, patience, zero mistakes. We are not the most talented team but we can win it.
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So your argument is if we don't have Smith we're fucked so just have a shit option on the bench cos it won't matter? Roigard is better and should be in the bench. Simple.
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
So your argument is if we don't have Smith we're fucked so just have a shit option on the bench cos it won't matter? Roigard is better and should be in the bench. Simple.
I'm not arguing Roigard shouldn't be on the bench. I think Christie is just as shit as everyone else does. I more so saying, I don't think it actually has a material impact, because if he is fit, Smith will play big minutes, and if Smith gets injured, I don't believe Roigard (or Christie for that matter) offer what we need to have any chance of winning.
The bigger selection issues for me are at 3, 6, 12 & 19... (obviously all injured forced) those will all have a far greater impact on the game.
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So your argument is if we don't have Smith we're fucked so just have a shit option on the bench cos it won't matter? Roigard is better and should be in the bench. Simple.
@Machpants yeah I'm not really understanding his argument. Roigard is a match winner and he showed that plenty of times for the Canes this year. His numbers were by far the best out of any halfback in the competition (including Smith), and I don't think that he's much of a drop down from Smith at all.
But Fozzie loves mediocre players with no impact so that's why he's selected Christie I guess.
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@Machpants yeah I'm not really understanding his argument. Roigard is a match winner and he showed that plenty of times for the Canes this year. His numbers were by far the best out of any halfback in the competition (including Smith), and I don't think that he's much of a drop down from Smith at all.
But Fozzie loves mediocre players with no impact so that's why he's selected Christie I guess.
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants yeah I'm not really understanding his argument. Roigard is a match winner and he showed that plenty of times for the Canes this year. His numbers were by far the best out of any halfback in the competition (including Smith), and I don't think that he's much of a drop down from Smith at all.
Correct, you aren't understanding my argument. If you want you can debate that last point, it is a fair argument.
My argument is that it doesn't actually matter, because if we are in trouble, it won't be a halfback who digs us out of it, and if it is a halfback, end even if it is a halfback, I think it is more likely to be Smith controlling the game, and a death by 1000 quick passes, rather than an individually brilliant snipe. For the millionth time, I think Christie is shit haha.
I'm sure TJ Perenara's SR numbers were also better than Smith's, because SR is a different game. More open, weaker defences etc. However, Knockout games at the RWC are all about exuding control, and Smith brings that in far greater capacity than all of our halfbacks in my opinion.
