RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Duluth Yes but your entire justification for Papps being selected at 6 is that he used to play there back in the day and weighs roughly the same amount as Kiren Reid.
@Windows97 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Duluth Yes but your entire justification for Papps being selected at 6 is that he used to play there back in the day and weighs roughly the same amount as Kiren Reid.
That’s a pretty good effort to spell both his first and his surname wrong
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@Windows97 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Duluth Yes but your entire justification for Papps being selected at 6 is that he used to play there back in the day and weighs roughly the same amount as Kiren Reid.
That’s a pretty good effort to spell both his first and his surname wrong
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@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
frugby are you really arguing to put shitty replacements on the bench when we have a really good match winner not being selected? That's an argument that's not making a lot of sense.
I'll probably also put McKenzie on the bench too, he could really change a game around and offer a point of difference.No I'm not arguing that. Maybe read what I actually said.
I'll say it loud and clear, I think Christie is terrible, probably not in my top 5 halfbacks in NZ, let alone being on the bench for this test.
I think Roigard is great, and will be great, but when we lose (because I think we will) people will likely scapegoat Christie, and will discuss the what if Roigard was on the bench?
In reality, I think we are more likely to lose because of a lack of a good tighthead prop, the lack of a proper blindside flanker, the lack of a hard-carrying 12 and the lack of a proper backup lock - granted in these positions, the coach's hands were somewhat tied.
Of course we could and should criticise the selection of Christie, but for the maximum 15 minutes he is likely to play, I don't actually think it greatly affects the outcome of this game.
If it does, and we lose because Christie did some terrible kicks, or some shitty passes, just like everyone else I'll be hounding it, and I hold my hands up, but I really don't believe he will he even get 10 minutes, and I don't believe it will have a material outcome on the game.
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@frugby we're down by 5, 20 mins to go, have the ascendency, scored 22 unanswered points, you don't think Fozzy is hooking Nugget?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby we're down by 5, 20 mins to go, have the ascendency, scored 22 unanswered points, you don't think Fozzy is hooking Nugget?
If we have scored 22 unanswered points and are on absolute fire? Absolutely not haha.
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What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
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What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
I don't think anyone disputes Papalii's qualities. More of a discussion around it being an imbalanced trio.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
I don't think anyone disputes Papalii's qualities. More of a discussion around it being an imbalanced trio.
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@Duluth But does follow up quite nicely with ignoring the substance of the post and focusing on irrelevant detail.
Papps weight is an irrelevant detail and your the only one making a big deal about it.
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
From the current squad what would you have picked?
I personally would have gone for Jacobson, as I really rate him, and despite what the height and weight might say, he feels and plays like a bigger body than Papalii IMO. I don't necessarily hate the option, as think we lacks options at 6, with the only one I consider near good enough injured.
Blackadder isn't that big either, and has spent the best part of 18 months injured, whilst I think Samipeni is still very raw, and wouldn't have been ready for this WC.
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The Roigard non selection is silly but it also shows how inflexible Foster is. I really don't know why we even bothered having the ABs in SR when clearly form doesn't matter to the guy, he had already picked this AB team at the start of the year.
Roigard would have been the perfect impact player on Friday. With the forecasted heat, players are bound to get tired and there will be gaps around the rucks late in the game as a result. This is the one game where you should select a guy like Roigard who has the running game to exploit those gaps.
@akan004 the issue you're facing by picking mainly on SR form is continuity. Because of Forster's results over the last couple of years he's about 1 year behind in his plan to solidify the team. He was still phucking around with the team on the end of year tour last year. With the emergence of JB at 12 and Rieks finally showing glimpses of a test centre pairing, Foster simply didn't have enough time to blood anymore players. Then you’ll all be complaining our team is far too inexperienced.
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
From the current squad what would you have picked?
I personally would have gone for Jacobson, as I really rate him, and despite what the height and weight might say, he feels and plays like a bigger body than Papalii IMO. I don't necessarily hate the option, as think we lacks options at 6, with the only one I consider near good enough injured.
Blackadder isn't that big either, and has spent the best part of 18 months injured, whilst I think Samipeni is still very raw, and wouldn't have been ready for this WC.
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
From the current squad what would you have picked?
personally...i would have some faith in myself and who i had picked and give whomever i had picked in the SA game another shot....i truly believe all this one game in one game out shit has to have an effect on players...meaning the next time they get a shot they'll be in their own heads
I dont mean players become undroppable...but there is a middle ground between playing one game ever so often and being kept on after 3 bad games in a row
also doesnt mean i wouldn't have picked a different squad, but when weve got a squad we need to rev them up...not make them doubt themselves
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Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.Let's face it if AB pack doesn't go well , and if Roigard did play and not look good, posters being what they are would of been moaning about him not being up to it anyway.
I think I been reading forums too long!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: -
What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class
I am not sure he has put in enough World class performances at Test Level to call him World class.
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@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.That was a great little confidence boost for Roigard, by far the best thing to come of that warm up match. But the game was gone, and it was a warm up match, so there was no pressure on him at all. Against the French at home in a WC opener? Yeah that's a different kettle of fish and I can see why they wouldn't want to expose him to that this early in his career. Some pool games for him to make his case and get more comfortable in the black jumper, and he's every chance of making the bench in the quarter.
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.That was a great little confidence boost for Roigard, by far the best thing to come of that warm up match. But the game was gone, and it was a warm up match, so there was no pressure on him at all. Against the French at home in a WC opener? Yeah that's a different kettle of fish and I can see why they wouldn't want to expose him to that this early in his career. Some pool games for him to make his case and get more comfortable in the black jumper, and he's every chance of making the bench in the quarter.
Why then is he in the RWC squad?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby we're down by 5, 20 mins to go, have the ascendency, scored 22 unanswered points, you don't think Fozzy is hooking Nugget?
If we have scored 22 unanswered points and are on absolute fire? Absolutely not haha.
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby we're down by 5, 20 mins to go, have the ascendency, scored 22 unanswered points, you don't think Fozzy is hooking Nugget?
If we have scored 22 unanswered points and are on absolute fire? Absolutely not haha.
Foster, the ABs coach? He'd drop God.
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Hopefully ALB goes well.
If he can have a solid game it settles a few questions about the bench for later in the tournament. With him covering 12/13 and two 10's in the starting lineup it gives us options for that last bench spot
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Hopefully ALB goes well.
If he can have even a solid game it settles a few questions about the bench for later in the tournament. With him covering 12/13 and two 10's in the starting lineup it gives us options for that last bench spot
would love for him to have a solid game, just tackle blokes and try and put RI in some space...
