RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
-
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.That was a great little confidence boost for Roigard, by far the best thing to come of that warm up match. But the game was gone, and it was a warm up match, so there was no pressure on him at all. Against the French at home in a WC opener? Yeah that's a different kettle of fish and I can see why they wouldn't want to expose him to that this early in his career. Some pool games for him to make his case and get more comfortable in the black jumper, and he's every chance of making the bench in the quarter.
Why then is he in the RWC squad?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.That was a great little confidence boost for Roigard, by far the best thing to come of that warm up match. But the game was gone, and it was a warm up match, so there was no pressure on him at all. Against the French at home in a WC opener? Yeah that's a different kettle of fish and I can see why they wouldn't want to expose him to that this early in his career. Some pool games for him to make his case and get more comfortable in the black jumper, and he's every chance of making the bench in the quarter.
Why then is he in the RWC squad?
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
-
No I refuse to let you introduce strawman arguments. You did it in the NPC thread too. Lift your game it makes you look dumb
-
To be optimistic, let's go back to the 2015 RWC.
The pecking order of the halfbacks at the start was (1) Smith, (2) TJP, (3) TKB. By the time the playoffs started TKB had overtaken TJP to be Smith's backup. There is time for Roigard to prove his worth before the game that really matters.
@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
To be optimistic, let's go back to the 2015 RWC.
The pecking order of the halfbacks at the start was (1) Smith, (2) TJP, (3) TKB. By the time the playoffs started TKB had overtaken TJP to be Smith's backup. There is time for Roigard to prove his worth before the game that really matters.
Team sheets from 2011 indicate Cowan was preferred starter earlier in the year and St the start of the tournament. Ended up 3rd 9.
-
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
-
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
Which is "easier" ...
@booboo said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
Which is "easier" ...
Scotland, if the manage to tip over either SA or Ireland, which had happened before
-
@booboo said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
Which is "easier" ...
Scotland, if the manage to tip over either SA or Ireland, which had happened before
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@booboo said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
Which is "easier" ...
Scotland, if the manage to tip over either SA or Ireland, which had happened before
Just cos they haven’t won before doesn’t mean they won’t
-
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Also, if anyone lives overseas and can go to the bookmaker, would love to know the odds on Nepo over 2.5 knock-ons. In that heat, he won't catch a thing!
@frugby Fully agree with you there mate. I'm really nervous about Papali'i at 6 and have never liked him there. He's a 7 or don't play at all for me and always has been. Would feel more comfortable with Finau there and the non selection of Jacobsen at 6 suggests to me that they regret picking him as he is the utility loose forward in the squad.
Papali'i lacks a bit of sting both on attack and defence to be an international 6 for me.
-
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.That was a great little confidence boost for Roigard, by far the best thing to come of that warm up match. But the game was gone, and it was a warm up match, so there was no pressure on him at all. Against the French at home in a WC opener? Yeah that's a different kettle of fish and I can see why they wouldn't want to expose him to that this early in his career. Some pool games for him to make his case and get more comfortable in the black jumper, and he's every chance of making the bench in the quarter.
Why then is he in the RWC squad?
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
@No-Quarter you don't want him exposed but we have lack of depth.?
-
@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I wouldn't pick one French player in a combined Rainbow Warrior XV....
-
@akan004 I cannot come up with new ways of describing the incompetence. A player who was completely expendable for this campaign.
@Tim said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@akan004 I cannot come up with new ways of describing the incompetence. A player who was completely expendable for this campaign.
Please replace Narawa with another wing. Please Fozzie, you know you want to
-
@frugby Fully agree with you there mate. I'm really nervous about Papali'i at 6 and have never liked him there. He's a 7 or don't play at all for me and always has been. Would feel more comfortable with Finau there and the non selection of Jacobsen at 6 suggests to me that they regret picking him as he is the utility loose forward in the squad.
Papali'i lacks a bit of sting both on attack and defence to be an international 6 for me.
@African-Monkey said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby Fully agree with you there mate. I'm really nervous about Papali'i at 6 and have never liked him there. He's a 7 or don't play at all for me and always has been. Would feel more comfortable with Finau there and the non selection of Jacobsen at 6 suggests to me that they regret picking him as he is the utility loose forward in the squad.
Papali'i lacks a bit of sting both on attack and defence to be an international 6 for me.
That last test he started at 6 he seemed a little all over the show and almost nervous. He gave an interview, can't remember if it was pre or post game and it was telling that ihe wasn't overly comfortable about it. But Paps is a real student of the game and would've learned a few things and the coaches will hopefully have a better idea how to use him there.
if we play an uptempo, speed, don't die with the ball game, we certainly have the loose trio to do that!
-
@African-Monkey said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby Fully agree with you there mate. I'm really nervous about Papali'i at 6 and have never liked him there. He's a 7 or don't play at all for me and always has been. Would feel more comfortable with Finau there and the non selection of Jacobsen at 6 suggests to me that they regret picking him as he is the utility loose forward in the squad.
Papali'i lacks a bit of sting both on attack and defence to be an international 6 for me.
That last test he started at 6 he seemed a little all over the show and almost nervous. He gave an interview, can't remember if it was pre or post game and it was telling that ihe wasn't overly comfortable about it. But Paps is a real student of the game and would've learned a few things and the coaches will hopefully have a better idea how to use him there.
if we play an uptempo, speed, don't die with the ball game, we certainly have the loose trio to do that!
@ACT-Crusader I certainly hope so, and I really hope he goes out there and kills it. I love what he does for the Blues, hope he delivers and makes me look like an idiot on Saturday.
-
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@booboo said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
Which is "easier" ...
Scotland, if the manage to tip over either SA or Ireland, which had happened before
Just cos they haven’t won before doesn’t mean they won’t
@MN5 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@booboo said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Winning this games doesn't necessarily give us the easier QF anyway, just creates momentum and confidence.
Which is "easier" ...
Scotland, if the manage to tip over either SA or Ireland, which had happened before
Just cos they haven’t won before doesn’t mean they won’t
My point is it had happened before, that's what I said. English comp fail? Which is fair enough with my swipe texting English grammar. Scotland have previously beaten both Ireland and SA, I can't see them doing both in the pool, but they might top one of them meaning winning our pool could result in an easier game.
-
Fozzie is obviously an acolyte of Ben Darwin
See the video posted about analytics
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Yep. Being inflexible and not picking on SR form paid off.
Christie and Nonu are in no way equivalent and you know it. Nonu was an AB legend and our best ever 12. If his super form is mediocre then of course you pick him and give him a chance. If he continues to perform poorly at international level, then you drop him. But he never did.
BB is a closer comparison, except he's been medicore at international level for some time now, so his deteriorating super form is more of a worry, as is his continuing poor performance at international level - still not dropped.
Christie is not even in the same conversation. He's a borderline squad selection, who does not have a long record of exceptional international performance. he should be selected or not based on super form, because that's the only decent amount of data you have on him.@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Christie and Nonu are in no way equivalent and you know it
Not sure what any comparison between Christie and Nonu has got to do with it.
I just pointed out that not picking on SR form didn't mean an inflexible coach or selection process which didn't take form into account.
-
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Oh hell no
But everyone was having a bad day, nice to bring on someone to turn the game around a bit. Just don't think Christie does that. He is not going to add a spark that might make a difference.
I'm just not liking the makeup of this team, and the squad in general just seems to be selected badly.That was a great little confidence boost for Roigard, by far the best thing to come of that warm up match. But the game was gone, and it was a warm up match, so there was no pressure on him at all. Against the French at home in a WC opener? Yeah that's a different kettle of fish and I can see why they wouldn't want to expose him to that this early in his career. Some pool games for him to make his case and get more comfortable in the black jumper, and he's every chance of making the bench in the quarter.
Why then is he in the RWC squad?
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
Right now? There's been a lack of depth at 9 (and in a fair number of other positions) for the last 4-5 years.
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The Roigard non selection is silly but it also shows how inflexible Foster is. I really don't know why we even bothered having the ABs in SR when clearly form doesn't matter to the guy, he had already picked this AB team at the start of the year.
The same criticism can be made against Henry and Hansen for sticking with Nonu at 12 despite being crap in SR.
You're the biggest Foster fluffer in the world.
Comparing Christie to Nonu, you're reaching new lows here bud.@Frank said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Comparing Christie to Nonu, you're reaching new lows here bud
Pretty huge bridge you've built there.
When did I compare Nonu to Christie?
-
@Frank said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Comparing Christie to Nonu, you're reaching new lows here bud
Pretty huge bridge you've built there.
When did I compare Nonu to Christie?
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Frank said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Comparing Christie to Nonu, you're reaching new lows here bud
Pretty huge bridge you've built there.
When did I compare Nonu to Christie?
You implied that a decision to pick Nonu despite poor super rugby form was similar to picking Christie on poor super form. It's not, because of the massive gulf in their international experience / quality of previous international performance. The only way the decision would be similar, is if you consider the players are similar.
It's not that big a bridge. -
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class
I am not sure he has put in enough World class performances at Test Level to call him World class.
@Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class
I am not sure he has put in enough World class performances at Test Level to call him World class.
Apparently Ethan Blackadder has according to the fern though
