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RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy

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  • bayimportsB Offline
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    Assuming a QF awaits, showing we can actually do the basics might be a good way to start. I would just like to see some direct forward play, legitimate attempts to play down in opposition territory first and foremost.

    Jeez would love to see a big score based on the above to put some doubt in the Ireland faithful. This may sound contradictory to the above, but I don't believe so.

    I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.

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    • bayimportsB bayimports

      Assuming a QF awaits, showing we can actually do the basics might be a good way to start. I would just like to see some direct forward play, legitimate attempts to play down in opposition territory first and foremost.

      Jeez would love to see a big score based on the above to put some doubt in the Ireland faithful. This may sound contradictory to the above, but I don't believe so.

      I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.

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      @bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.

      Nah, i question our execution as well

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        Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

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        • Jailbreak7J Jailbreak7

          Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

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          @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

          because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

            because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

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            @mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

            because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

            Although if history is a guide, not for long.

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            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

              @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

              because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

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              @mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

              because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

              but if cane is actually fully fit...why not start...he's the captain and only been out for three games

              @mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              @bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.

              Nah, i question our execution as well

              agreed, even if the game plan was the "right one"...and im not sure it is....i dont think we're actually pulling off what we're trying to do

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              • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

                @mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

                because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

                Although if history is a guide, not for long.

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                @Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                @mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                @Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs

                because Frizzell and Cane are fit now

                Although if history is a guide, not for long.

                History probably tells us Blackadder is more likely to get injured.

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                • BerniesCornerB Offline
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                  As an off topic statement as long as we hold our discipline and play with passion we can compete with any of the sides. The one area I am not so sure about is the SA bomb squad scrum. That is some serious sh*t to deal with.

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                    I would rather throw caution to the wind and roll the dice tbh.
                    That means involvement of Blackadder, Roigard, DMac and LF.
                    2019 was serious limp lettuce

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                    • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                      I would rather throw caution to the wind and roll the dice tbh.
                      That means involvement of Blackadder, Roigard, DMac and LF.
                      2019 was serious limp lettuce

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                      @BerniesCorner Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls. Just a shame he was the only guy in NZ who would have dropped Ben Smith.

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                        I'm very happy Roigard was selected.
                        Very surprised they aren't testing out Blackadder here to see how he copes.
                        Very sad they still play the 10/15 Mounga-BB combo as it only seems to work 1 out 20 games or so.
                        I think it is a mostly good bench and I can see why they have ALB but I'd rather have Leicester.

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                        • game_filmG game_film

                          @BerniesCorner Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls. Just a shame he was the only guy in NZ who would have dropped Ben Smith.

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                          @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          @BerniesCorner Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls. Just a shame he was the only guy in NZ who would have dropped Ben Smith.

                          I don't think credit should be given for big stupid selection calls.

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                          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                            I have just twigged on Foster's genius, 3-4 years of incredibly predictable teams then once/if into the sudden death games: complete change in selections and tactics, brilliant! (Holds fingers in front of eyes).

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                            @nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            I have just twigged on Foster's genius, 3-4 years of incredibly predictable teams then once/if into the sudden death games: complete change in selections and tactics, brilliant! (Holds fingers in front of eyes).

                            How for so?
                            Hasn't he been criticised for not settling on a team?
                            And now he's picked a first XXIII he's predictable?
                            And that's somehow a complete change in selections?

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                            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                              @bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                              I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.

                              Nah, i question our execution as well

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                              @mariner4life not mutually exclusive

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                              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                @mariner4life not mutually exclusive

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                                @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                @mariner4life not mutually exclusive

                                100% but i'm just not willing to absolve the players of blame just because i think the coach isn't much chop

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                                  anyway, despite all that i think we beat Italy by 25-30 points.

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                    @mariner4life not mutually exclusive

                                    100% but i'm just not willing to absolve the players of blame just because i think the coach isn't much chop

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                                    @mariner4life although in 4 years where it seems we can't execute the plan he'd have altered it to one they could consistently...

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                                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                      @Bovidae yeah I said a few weeks ago I thought they had 'played' him out of form, such a shame as his (in form) style is certainly what we need v the likes of Ireland and SA.

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                                      @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      @Bovidae yeah I said a few weeks ago I thought they had 'played' him out of form, such a shame as his (in form) style is certainly what we need v the likes of Ireland and SA.

                                      I not sure I have see ST look real good all year, I wonder if he either having 2nd/3rd year yips, or more likely he just doesn't scare big physical teams like the Boks etc. Just my kind of take lineout wonks and not real convinced on his scrumming, he will come right, but I don't have a problem with Colesy getting 20 minutes ahead of him, and think it's a coin toss almost.

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                                        @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                        @Bovidae yeah I said a few weeks ago I thought they had 'played' him out of form, such a shame as his (in form) style is certainly what we need v the likes of Ireland and SA.

                                        I not sure I have see ST look real good all year, I wonder if he either having 2nd/3rd year yips, or more likely he just doesn't scare big physical teams like the Boks etc. Just my kind of take lineout wonks and not real convinced on his scrumming, he will come right, but I don't have a problem with Colesy getting 20 minutes ahead of him, and think it's a coin toss almost.

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                                        @Dan54 guess the difference is CT got numerous chances to play back into form after an average super season, ST doesn't seem to have been afforded the same opportunity

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                                        • boobooB booboo

                                          @nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          I have just twigged on Foster's genius, 3-4 years of incredibly predictable teams then once/if into the sudden death games: complete change in selections and tactics, brilliant! (Holds fingers in front of eyes).

                                          How for so?
                                          Hasn't he been criticised for not settling on a team?
                                          And now he's picked a first XXIII he's predictable?
                                          And that's somehow a complete change in selections?

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                                          @booboo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          @nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          I have just twigged on Foster's genius, 3-4 years of incredibly predictable teams then once/if into the sudden death games: complete change in selections and tactics, brilliant! (Holds fingers in front of eyes).

                                          How for so?
                                          Hasn't he been criticised for not settling on a team?
                                          And now he's picked a first XXIII he's predictable?
                                          And that's somehow a complete change in selections?

                                          a little bit of hope and a big dash of sarcasm

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