Vaping
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Taiwan outright banned all vaping products about 6 months ago. The rationale being that vaping harms young people and they don't want large numbers of youth becoming addicted to nicotine by taking up something which appears more benign than smoking. Shops over here are still trying to skirt regulations, on the understanding / hope the police won't enforce the rules.
My initial reaction is that this ban may lead to more people taking up smoking which is proven to be very unhealthy.
Anyone have any views on vaping? - positive or negative
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I personally do not know enough about it to know how widespread, dangerous or addictive it is.
Anecdotally old-fashioned tobacco is getting rarer and rarer, and I can go days without smelling or seeing it. However, with vaping I often see young people walking around vaping. This is by no means the norm, but it appears vaping maybe more popular than Tobacco with young people.
I can only assume long term health impacts will become more apparent the longer people use them.
On one hand I would rather people vape then smoke but I would be alarmed if young people are vaping that would never have smoked in the first place.
From the outside it does appear to be almost more addictive than tobacco or easier to consume as you don't have to carry a packet of smokes, and a lighter etc. It appears the device is ready to go at all times and can be used almost nonstop until it gets empty.
I would be curious what the cost is in comparison to tobacco also.
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I'm not sure that lack of access to vapes will push people to smoke more - certainly not the young kids who vape anyway. Maybe some ex-smokers will return?
I have 2 x teenagers, and they have addicted kids at their school - kids getting suspended and then expelled for vaping at school because they can't stop. It's definitely addictive in some way.
I also saw a report (yeah, just a report, I know) that said 6 months of vaping does the same damage to your mouth as smoking for 5 years - could be bollocks, but still!
Australia also on the path of banning it I believe - I wouldn't mind it existing with a decent age limit, 18 or something, just enough to make it harder for the school kids, don't want to go full-nanny state here
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Didn’t do enough long term testing IMHO
Chickens will come home to roost in 5-10 years
Massive waste problem from single use canisters in the UK
Wales trying to ban the sale of single use
A good thing
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@Machpants dunno, some of the products have more nicotine in them cigarettes.
Some of what you read says they are pretty much as toxic as smoking, just smell better.
BUt yes, agree, they were designed (supposedly) to help people give up, but unintended consequence was many who dont smoke took it up
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NZ did so will at bringing down the smoking rates over a number of years, it was noticeable even in comparison with Oz how much less smoking there was in NZ for most of the last decade. But the vape scene in NZ is fucking nuts whenever I travel home now. Vape shops all over the place, school kids just vaping away and not trying to hide it like they used to with smoking etc. I don't think a lack of access to vapes will increase smoking, young people I know (nieces) say lots of their mates vape who would never smoke.
Until they create vaping and smoking which doesn't impact the people not doing it I'm all for nanny stating the fuck out of it (banning it). I've made my thoughts on this in the grumpy old men thread.
Australia is supposed to be cracking down on vaping, nicotine vapes are supposedly banned but every vaper (vapist?) I know has nicotine vapes.
@Machpants said in Vaping:
Nicotine is not a problem, at all. Nicotine is addictive but not really harmful, It is the other shit they put in the vapes
Nicotine being addictive is the harm, which goes hand in hand with the other harmful shit they put in the vapes.
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@Machpants so something highly addictive isn't an issue?
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@taniwharugby said in Vaping:
@Machpants so something highly addictive isn't an issue?
No, exercise is addictive. Being addictive is not an issue, the issue is if the addiction also includes harm. Nicotine on it's own is relatively harmless
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People will always be looking for the next high / rush / buzz whatever.
Ban vapes and they’ll just move on to the next thing.
I agree with the disposable ban as the waste is colossal. But it seems relatively harmless (research is quick to point out “we don’t know yet” etc etc) which is the same as saying all indicators point to no harm.
We don’t live in a world of compliant populations, so I say let them vape.
(I love a vape when on the drinks)
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I was in copenhagen earlier in the year, the disposable i had with me ran out and i tried to buy one in a 7/11 - was hilarious, girl behind the counter informed me they were illegal, looked both ways and gave me directions to a shop up the road that sold them 'under the counter' then she panicked as her manager walked over. Felt like i was trying to buy weed in the '90s
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i love a vape. If you can get them from the US the nicotine levels are insane, head rushes like the first time you smoked a marlboro red
Indeed. I was there a couple of months back and a buddy is trying to get off the darts so we went to a vape shop. The nicotine levels started at 4%! I tend to use 0.5% which is sort of pointless, but hey it works for me.
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I was in copenhagen earlier in the year, the disposable i had with me ran out and i tried to buy one in a 7/11 - was hilarious, girl behind the counter informed me they were illegal, looked both ways and gave me directions to a shop up the road that sold them 'under the counter' then she panicked as her manager walked over. Felt like i was trying to buy weed in the '90s
The Northern European countries tend to be ahead of the curve with things like this
Sadly the UK is more concerned with money rather than demonstrating that it's not just petrol engines which harm the environment
5 fucking million per week in the UK ffs
Call for UK ban on single-use vapes as more than 5m discarded each week
Exclusive: Fourfold increase on 2022 sees enough vapes discarded to create 5,000 electric car batteries
