Vaping
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NZ did so will at bringing down the smoking rates over a number of years, it was noticeable even in comparison with Oz how much less smoking there was in NZ for most of the last decade. But the vape scene in NZ is fucking nuts whenever I travel home now. Vape shops all over the place, school kids just vaping away and not trying to hide it like they used to with smoking etc. I don't think a lack of access to vapes will increase smoking, young people I know (nieces) say lots of their mates vape who would never smoke.
Until they create vaping and smoking which doesn't impact the people not doing it I'm all for nanny stating the fuck out of it (banning it). I've made my thoughts on this in the grumpy old men thread.
Australia is supposed to be cracking down on vaping, nicotine vapes are supposedly banned but every vaper (vapist?) I know has nicotine vapes.
@Machpants said in Vaping:
Nicotine is not a problem, at all. Nicotine is addictive but not really harmful, It is the other shit they put in the vapes
Nicotine being addictive is the harm, which goes hand in hand with the other harmful shit they put in the vapes.
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@Machpants so something highly addictive isn't an issue?
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@taniwharugby said in Vaping:
@Machpants so something highly addictive isn't an issue?
No, exercise is addictive. Being addictive is not an issue, the issue is if the addiction also includes harm. Nicotine on it's own is relatively harmless
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People will always be looking for the next high / rush / buzz whatever.
Ban vapes and they’ll just move on to the next thing.
I agree with the disposable ban as the waste is colossal. But it seems relatively harmless (research is quick to point out “we don’t know yet” etc etc) which is the same as saying all indicators point to no harm.
We don’t live in a world of compliant populations, so I say let them vape.
(I love a vape when on the drinks)
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I was in copenhagen earlier in the year, the disposable i had with me ran out and i tried to buy one in a 7/11 - was hilarious, girl behind the counter informed me they were illegal, looked both ways and gave me directions to a shop up the road that sold them 'under the counter' then she panicked as her manager walked over. Felt like i was trying to buy weed in the '90s
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i love a vape. If you can get them from the US the nicotine levels are insane, head rushes like the first time you smoked a marlboro red
Indeed. I was there a couple of months back and a buddy is trying to get off the darts so we went to a vape shop. The nicotine levels started at 4%! I tend to use 0.5% which is sort of pointless, but hey it works for me.
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I was in copenhagen earlier in the year, the disposable i had with me ran out and i tried to buy one in a 7/11 - was hilarious, girl behind the counter informed me they were illegal, looked both ways and gave me directions to a shop up the road that sold them 'under the counter' then she panicked as her manager walked over. Felt like i was trying to buy weed in the '90s
The Northern European countries tend to be ahead of the curve with things like this
Sadly the UK is more concerned with money rather than demonstrating that it's not just petrol engines which harm the environment
5 fucking million per week in the UK ffs
Call for UK ban on single-use vapes as more than 5m discarded each week
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