RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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Called in to see the team and noticed the comments re Barnes earlier in the thread. It is worth pointing out to those that don't mind him, or think that we should get over Cardiff, we have our highest number of losses under him than any other ref in AB history (I saw that somewhere). It's not just the number of losses but the percentage (he has reffed us a lot). So we have reason to be wary of him other than one match that he completely ballsed up. France also didn't outplay us in that match @NTA Barnes choked and I don't trust him not to do it again in front of thousands of screaming Irish fans, just like he did at Cardiff in front of thousands of French fans (it was deafening in that stadium).
@Snowy there was a sizeable Irish fan contingent in Cardiff that day as they had banked on Ireland getting there as runners up in the pool. Alas, they choked that year, finishing 3rd behind Argentina and France.
They were singing “Allez les bleus” with gusto!
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.If we were up when coles comes onto the field ,
He would be the one guy who would be very good at reminding of their 1/4 final exit history
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@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.If we were up when coles comes onto the field ,
He would be the one guy who would be very good at reminding of their 1/4 final exit history
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If they were worried about Roigards defense, then don't pick Christie - take a leaf from the Yarpies, and pick another loose forward to cover that role - I'm sure that anyone of them would be as good from the back of the ruck as Christie
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@kiwiinmelb “4 more years” would be the obvious sledge… an oldie but a goodie
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@kiwiinmelb “4 more years” would be the obvious sledge… an oldie but a goodie
That only works on teams with history and expectation
"36 more years" doesn't really have the same ring to it
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Baby Dupont should be in the team but maybe Christie surprises with a TJP-esque turnover late on.
Surely Telea wasn’t out alone? Appreciate the need for standards of performance though. Leicester can come into the middle and do some work at least.
But come on, this is not a game based on these individuals, this one is based on tactics and execution. Lions game 1. Do or die vs Boks. It’s there.
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Baby Dupont should be in the team but maybe Christie surprises with a TJP-esque turnover late on.
Surely Telea wasn’t out alone? Appreciate the need for standards of performance though. Leicester can come into the middle and do some work at least.
But come on, this is not a game based on these individuals, this one is based on tactics and execution. Lions game 1. Do or die vs Boks. It’s there.
@game_film said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Surely Telea wasn’t out alone?
yeah you'd think so, but likely with others who were not in contention, otherwise wholesale droppings.
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@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
Schmidt clearly has a lot of faith in him. Christie was on the bench for the first Irish test in '22 which we won 42-19. Foster was out ill for the 1st Test against Ireland in '22 and Schmidt was in charge which is why we won according to Fern logic,
Clearly Schmidt knows what he is doing when playing Ireland and Christie is the clear and obvious choice if we are to win.
Of course, Fern logic could be bollocks....
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
Schmidt clearly has a lot of faith in him. Christie was on the bench for the first Irish test in '22 which we won 42-19. Foster was out ill for the 1st Test against Ireland in '22 and Schmidt was in charge which is why we won according to Fern logic,
Clearly Schmidt knows what he is doing when playing Ireland and Christie is the clear and obvious choice if we are to win.
Of course, Fern logic could be bollocks....
What does Christie on the bench in that test have to do with anything? Foster still selected that team for that first test.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
Schmidt clearly has a lot of faith in him. Christie was on the bench for the first Irish test in '22 which we won 42-19. Foster was out ill for the 1st Test against Ireland in '22 and Schmidt was in charge which is why we won according to Fern logic,
Clearly Schmidt knows what he is doing when playing Ireland and Christie is the clear and obvious choice if we are to win.
Of course, Fern logic could be bollocks....
What does Christie on the bench in that test have to do with anything? Foster still selected that team for that first test.
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From what I have heard, this is not the first time Fozzie has been forced to drop a form player due to breach of protocol, at least he is consistent in that.
Why are players so daft to push these rules?
You are away, the biggest game of your career coming up and you decide to stay out late?
Assume he was out with someone else who was never in consideration for this match, surely not by himself?
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
From what I have heard, this is not the first time Fozzie has been forced to drop a form player due to breach of protocol, at least he is consistent in that.
But that time he didn't make it public
That rumour about the other player missing out because of internal team protocols is so prevalent it might as well be said.. I think most people have heard it. ST missed selection during the Irish series last year for similar reasons but it was kept quiet
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@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
From what I have heard, this is not the first time Fozzie has been forced to drop a form player due to breach of protocol, at least he is consistent in that.
But that time he didn't make it public
That rumour about the other player missing out because of internal team protocols is so prevalent it might as well be said.. I think most people have heard it. ST missed selection during the Irish series last year for similar reasons but it was kept quiet
@Duluth yeah good point re that being a difference here.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hook, Line Sinker.
I was being the opposite of serious.
Ok?
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@Snowy there was a sizeable Irish fan contingent in Cardiff that day as they had banked on Ireland getting there as runners up in the pool. Alas, they choked that year, finishing 3rd behind Argentina and France.
They were singing “Allez les bleus” with gusto!
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Snowy there was a sizeable Irish fan contingent in Cardiff that day as they had banked on Ireland getting there as runners up in the pool. Alas, they choked that year, finishing 3rd behind Argentina and France.
They were singing “Allez les bleus” with gusto!
Yeah, point remains that it was effectively a "French" crowd and Barnes choked. The Allez les Bleus was indeed seriously loud. The roof was closed from memory?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hook, Line Sinker.
I was being the opposite of serious.
Ok?
Yes. I have a feeling Christie's selection could be akin to Cane's omission in '19. Just hope not.
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Re: Telea it seems kinda obvious he was out sampling the local delicacies right? Probably with the boys then went rogue.
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Snowy there was a sizeable Irish fan contingent in Cardiff that day as they had banked on Ireland getting there as runners up in the pool. Alas, they choked that year, finishing 3rd behind Argentina and France.
They were singing “Allez les bleus” with gusto!
Yeah, point remains that it was effectively a "French" crowd and Barnes choked. The Allez les Bleus was indeed seriously loud. The roof was closed from memory?
@Snowy said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The roof was closed from memory?
Yeah. I think it was.
But to be fair, the ABs didn't adapt to Barnes at all well and need to share a fair bit of the blame for that loss.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
From what I have heard, this is not the first time Fozzie has been forced to drop a form player due to breach of protocol, at least he is consistent in that.
But that time he didn't make it public
That rumour about the other player missing out because of internal team protocols is so prevalent it might as well be said.. I think most people have heard it. ST missed selection during the Irish series last year for similar reasons but it was kept quiet
@Duluth said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
From what I have heard, this is not the first time Fozzie has been forced to drop a form player due to breach of protocol, at least he is consistent in that.
But that time he didn't make it public
That rumour about the other player missing out because of internal team protocols is so prevalent it might as well be said.. I think most people have heard it. ST missed selection during the Irish series last year for similar reasons but it was kept quiet
None of the journos asked so he didn't say, but he was asked directly here
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
Really though? What is the actual defensive edge he has, any idea? It's been said a lot, but there hasn't been any substance put to it.
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
Really though? What is the actual defensive edge he has, any idea? It's been said a lot, but there hasn't been any substance put to it.
So, I need to say that 2023 Christie isn't playing well.
2021 2022 though, he was dynamite defensively - the Blues were setting up with a big gap around the scrum (in particular) and leaving Christie to fill the space with speed and terrier like defense. It was noticeably good. I did not have high expectations of him, but he played better than I expected by some margin in 21 and 22.
This year, not so much. But clearly Foz sees this at training... or something
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@Duluth said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
From what I have heard, this is not the first time Fozzie has been forced to drop a form player due to breach of protocol, at least he is consistent in that.
But that time he didn't make it public
That rumour about the other player missing out because of internal team protocols is so prevalent it might as well be said.. I think most people have heard it. ST missed selection during the Irish series last year for similar reasons but it was kept quiet
None of the journos asked so he didn't say, but he was asked directly here
About ST last year? No, he was asked directly and gave an incoherent cover up answer
