RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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@canefan i hope youre right...im worried ireland was our final...or a blip...like when we thought the tide had turned after the RC...and then we got SA and France
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
then we got SA and France
I think those results were outliers, particularly the SA game, almost everything that could go wrong, did and we were rightfully spanked.
The French game we were in it with 30 to go, but some seemingly pre-ordained subs and some standard poor kicking from us saw everything change.
As I have said (with hope more than anything) was that Fozzie had thrown an awful lot into timing the run into the RWC, he was not concerned about losing the French test, despite the aim should be to win every game, they also had a plan to deal with Ireland (dryest of powder) I reckon similarly they will have something for Argies, and Coles said the hurt is there from when they beat us and from 2019, so hopefully there is enough fire there to get them to the final, and given how light our pool was, and if we win, we should hit the final with pretty much the right amount of wear and tear on the team...IMO of course
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
then we got SA and France
I think those results were outliers, particularly the SA game, almost everything that could go wrong, did and we were rightfully spanked.
The French game we were in it with 30 to go, but some seemingly pre-ordained subs and some standard poor kicking from us saw everything change.
As I have said (with hope more than anything) was that Fozzie had thrown an awful lot into timing the run into the RWC, he was not concerned about losing the French test, despite the aim should be to win every game, they also had a plan to deal with Ireland (dryest of powder) I reckon similarly they will have something for Argies, and Coles said the hurt is there from when they beat us and from 2019, so hopefully there is enough fire there to get them to the final, and given how light our pool was, and if we win, we should hit the final with pretty much the right amount of wear and tear on the team...IMO of course
@taniwharugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I think those results were outliers, particularly the SA game, almost everything that could go wrong, did and we were rightfully spanked.
I really hope the SA loss was becuase the team was in strength/conditioning mode, and putting a heavy training load into the players.
I fear it may be because our kicking suuuuucks
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@taniwharugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I think those results were outliers, particularly the SA game, almost everything that could go wrong, did and we were rightfully spanked.
I really hope the SA loss was becuase the team was in strength/conditioning mode, and putting a heavy training load into the players.
I fear it may be because our kicking suuuuucks
@nzzp I think it can be both...
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Argentina have been bang average this RWC. They were also losing to Wales until they got a bit of luck. Provided we are not complacent we should do this comfortably enough. I’d bring telea and roigard back in, otherwise no changes
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
not for me, i dont view the RWC like some, his role in making watching the AB so much less enjoyable over the last four years isn't outweighed by winning it.
Whether he wins or not, the Irish series, the hidings to France, SA and Argentina are inexcusable. I congratulate Foster for getting the job done to date in the RWC but a RWC win doesn't erase 4 years of pain. There are some records in there that will never get back.
i actually dont like him as a person from what i see in the press conferences etc...he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic...would happy give everything away to win the RWC and think thats fine
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic
What does Steve Hansen have to do with this?
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic
What does Steve Hansen have to do with this?
@KiwiMurph he had less to apologise for...but touche
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
not for me, i dont view the RWC like some, his role in making watching the AB so much less enjoyable over the last four years isn't outweighed by winning it.
Whether he wins or not, the Irish series, the hidings to France, SA and Argentina are inexcusable. I congratulate Foster for getting the job done to date in the RWC but a RWC win doesn't erase 4 years of pain. There are some records in there that will never get back.
i actually dont like him as a person from what i see in the press conferences etc...he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic...would happy give everything away to win the RWC and think thats fine
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic.
Yeah he was a right twat after the Ire game, when asked if that was the most important win of his tenure, he said something like 'you guys keep saying the 2nd SA was really important'. Pathetic attempts at point scoring by our worst pro coach, with a shit record.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic.
Yeah he was a right twat after the Ire game, when asked if that was the most important win of his tenure, he said something like 'you guys keep saying the 2nd SA was really important'. Pathetic attempts at point scoring by our worst pro coach, with a shit record.
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic.
Yeah he was a right twat after the Ire game, when asked if that was the most important win of his tenure, he said something like 'you guys keep saying the 2nd SA was really important'. Pathetic attempts at point scoring by our worst pro coach, with a shit record.
Last chance to fluff his legacy, and Foz be Foz
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French referee likely for this SF,normally WR policy is to not give Semi Finals to Refs from the 4 countries competing.
@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
French referee likely for this SF,normally WR policy is to not give Semi Finals to Refs from the 4 countries competing.
Only slightly better than getting that Georgian one I guess.
What about any of the Aussies?
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Argentina have been bang average this RWC. They were also losing to Wales until they got a bit of luck. Provided we are not complacent we should do this comfortably enough. I’d bring telea and roigard back in, otherwise no changes
@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Argentina have been bang average this RWC. They were also losing to Wales until they got a bit of luck. Provided we are not complacent we should do this comfortably enough. I’d bring telea and roigard back in, otherwise no changes
In a tournament and in particular the knock out stages, I don’t think that really matters. It’s just one game that matters. You get to reset, change tact and all because it’s a different opposition and challenge.
Dealing with the pressure of the occasion is probably the biggest factor in whoever gets momentum.
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@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
French referee likely for this SF,normally WR policy is to not give Semi Finals to Refs from the 4 countries competing.
Only slightly better than getting that Georgian one I guess.
What about any of the Aussies?
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Could be Gardiner if not a Frenchman .
@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Could be Gardiner if not a Frenchman .
Please no
Georgian
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
not for me, i dont view the RWC like some, his role in making watching the AB so much less enjoyable over the last four years isn't outweighed by winning it.
Whether he wins or not, the Irish series, the hidings to France, SA and Argentina are inexcusable. I congratulate Foster for getting the job done to date in the RWC but a RWC win doesn't erase 4 years of pain. There are some records in there that will never get back.
i actually dont like him as a person from what i see in the press conferences etc...he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic...would happy give everything away to win the RWC and think thats fine
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
not for me, i dont view the RWC like some, his role in making watching the AB so much less enjoyable over the last four years isn't outweighed by winning it.
Whether he wins or not, the Irish series, the hidings to France, SA and Argentina are inexcusable. I congratulate Foster for getting the job done to date in the RWC but a RWC win doesn't erase 4 years of pain. There are some records in there that will never get back.
i actually dont like him as a person from what i see in the press conferences etc...he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic...would happy give everything away to win the RWC and think thats fine
I think Foster seems considerably more likable than Hansen ever was.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
not for me, i dont view the RWC like some, his role in making watching the AB so much less enjoyable over the last four years isn't outweighed by winning it.
Whether he wins or not, the Irish series, the hidings to France, SA and Argentina are inexcusable. I congratulate Foster for getting the job done to date in the RWC but a RWC win doesn't erase 4 years of pain. There are some records in there that will never get back.
i actually dont like him as a person from what i see in the press conferences etc...he actually seems bloody smug and unapologetic...would happy give everything away to win the RWC and think thats fine
I think Foster seems considerably more likable than Hansen ever was.
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@MN5 i can own im bitter
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@MN5 i can own im bitter
Drunk too judging from this post
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Interesting that Coles was on media duties. If they are worried about workload of a few forwards, Whitelock and Coles could move into the starting side without any drop off in quality/experience
@Duluth said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Interesting that Coles was on media duties. If they are worried about workload of a few forwards, Whitelock and Coles could move into the starting side without any drop off in quality/experience
I was actually thinking that they could bring Sami T back in for the Argies. Given it’s still early in the week Coles may have been used because he’s an experienced head and he played against Ireland.
Sami T started that demolition test of Argentina in Hamilton last year. Although it was Coles and Taylor earlier this year in the win in Mendoza.
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@Victor-Meldrew unsure if he is.
There's nothing crueller in rugby than playing for third place at a Rugby World Cup.
Rather than draw a line under failure to win a semi-final, two teams' plans have to turn to playing for bronze, in a match that no side ever wants to play in.
For All Blacks veteran Dane Coles, doing so at this year's tournament in France is an outcome he's determined to avoid at all costs.
Dane Coles celebrates.
Dane Coles celebrates. Photo credit: Getty Images
With last weekend's victory over Ireland in Paris, the All Blacks have bought themselves another week at the World Cup, and will now face Argentina at the Stade de France on Saturday (NZ time) to book their spot to play for the Webb Ellis Cup.
But if there was any extra motivation needed, the All Blacks need look no further than what happened four years ago.
In eerily similar circumstances, Sir Steve Hansen's side put everything into a quarter-final win over Ireland, only to fall flat against England a week later, and end up facing Wales for third to finish their tournament.
This time around, though, the All Blacks assert those lessons have been learned. In his final days as an All Black, Coles knows the highs and lows of World Cups.
A winner in 2015, the 36-year-old also had to end his campaign with bronze in Japan.
And now, as he prepares for the end of his professional career altogether, Coles wants to sign off playing for New Zealand's fourth World Cup triumph.
"I don't want to be playing in a third/fourth game again, like we did in 2019," said Coles. "That's my motivation. It's a s**t week if I'm being brutally honest, playing for third and fourth, getting knocked out of a semi.
"Regardless of who you're playing, it doesn't matter. You're playing in the semi-final of a World Cup.
"If you don't turn up, you're in for a week that tests you mentally, physically and emotionally.
"I want to make sure I turn up. Wherever I am this week, regardless of playing the Pumas, [I'll] try to get another Monday.
"It's not [about] who the opposition is, it's about us getting to the ultimate goal of playing a World Cup final. All our energy is in this semi-final."
Given the nature of the shorter, six-day turnaround, the All Blacks' week becomes even more difficult.
Mentally, the team have to completely remove success against Ireland from their minds, and prepare for the challenge of Los Pumas.
And given the way the team peaked in the quarter-final four years ago, Coles says the All Blacks can't settle for anything other than improvement.
"We'll take a lot of confidence, but we have to go to another gear," he said. "We've all seen, the World Cups are very different, with the results over the weekend.
Dane Coles and Ardie Savea.
Dane Coles and Ardie Savea. Photo credit: Getty Images
"They're going to be a different beast. It wasn't that long ago that we lost to them in New Zealand for the first time.
"We know when they're in a good spot, and they turn up, they're a physical team. It's crucial we lift to another gear and go again."
Argentina's recent history against the All Blacks is nothing to be baulked at either.
In the Ian Foster era, Argentina defeated New Zealand for the first time in 2020 with a backs-to-the-wall win in Syndey.
Then, last year, Los Pumas went one better, and defeated the All Blacks on home soil in Christchurch, the test after Foster saved his job with victory away in Johannesburg.
As part of both All Blacks sides to have suffered those losses, Coles admits the fear of doing it again on the biggest stage is fuelling his need to win come Saturday.
"I've been in the team that lost to them in Aussie, lost to them in New Zealand," he said. "That caused the team a lot of hurt. I personally still have that fear.
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"That fear drives you. It's good to have that knowledge, let it energise you and get you to a place where you need to be."
All up, the All Blacks have played Argentina 36 times, winning 33 losing two and drawing one.
In World Cups, the two sides have met three times, with the All Blacks winning all three.
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