RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
Just on that, all the coaches during the 70s have better records than Foz. It’s the 50s that were worst.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
Just on that, all the coaches during the 70s have better records than Foz. It’s the 50s that were worst.
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
Just on that, all the coaches during the 70s have better records than Foz. It’s the 50s that were worst.
Not in Tests they don't.
Vodanovich 3 years, 10 Tests, won 4, drew 1.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
Just on that, all the coaches during the 70s have better records than Foz. It’s the 50s that were worst.
Not in Tests they don't.
Vodanovich 3 years, 10 Tests, won 4, drew 1.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
Just on that, all the coaches during the 70s have better records than Foz. It’s the 50s that were worst.
Not in Tests they don't.
Vodanovich 3 years, 10 Tests, won 4, drew 1.
Vodanovich’s overall record is far better 81%
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
If people think the last 4 years were shit and damaged the legacy, they didn't live thru the '70's...
Just on that, all the coaches during the 70s have better records than Foz. It’s the 50s that were worst.
Not in Tests they don't.
Vodanovich 3 years, 10 Tests, won 4, drew 1.
Vodanovich’s overall record is far better 81%
I've sure if Foster's All Blacks played 30 games against the likes of Outer Natal or Oxford University, his record would be better. Heck the AB's lost games to English, Irish & Welsh club teams back then
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@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
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@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
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@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
It's all hyperbolic bullshit anyway. Damaged the legacy? jog on.
Lost the Bledisloe? No
Lost the Rugby Championship? No
Crashed out of the World Cup early? No"Oh but we lost to Ireland for the first time" they wail. Have Ireland ever been the best team in the world before?
"we lost to France!" well this is the best French team i have ever seen. And we've only played them in France.Has it all been sunshine and blowjobs? No. Losing to Argentina at home still rankles, despite the fact they gat an annual chance at it now. And there have been some very average games. But really, that is just us reverting to the mean. Even this tarnished legacy regime is winning 7 out of 10 times isn't it?
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
98 was fucking vintage compared to some of the bumbling, clueless losses under Foster.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
It's all hyperbolic bullshit anyway. Damaged the legacy? jog on.
Lost the Bledisloe? No
Lost the Rugby Championship? No
Crashed out of the World Cup early? No"Oh but we lost to Ireland for the first time" they wail. Have Ireland ever been the best team in the world before?
"we lost to France!" well this is the best French team i have ever seen. And we've only played them in France.Has it all been sunshine and blowjobs? No. Losing to Argentina at home still rankles, despite the fact they gat an annual chance at it now. And there have been some very average games. But really, that is just us reverting to the mean. Even this tarnished legacy regime is winning 7 out of 10 times isn't it?
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
98 was fucking vintage compared to some of the bumbling, clueless losses under Foster.
No it was not. '98 was fucking horrific. Nothing compares to 1998 in my lifetime.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
There are blokes still dining out in Wales on their club victories over the ABs
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@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
There are blokes still dining out in Wales on their club victories over the ABs
@MiketheSnow said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
There are blokes still dining out in Wales on their club victories over the ABs
Very true, but on the other side it wasn't and isn't so important
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Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
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Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
Locks rotation understandable, but Sami coming back to the bench seems odd unless they feel like we will really need him against the Boks so he needs game time now?
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
Locks rotation understandable, but Sami coming back to the bench seems odd unless they feel like we will really need him against the Boks so he needs game time now?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
This is the same legacy that foster has been systematically dismantling since his appointment? There are many reasons none of us trust fosters ABs see the fosters first thread
TBF, there were many on here who wanted Shaun Stevenson parachuted into the starting AB 15 as he had all the skills, experience was over-rated and he was the man for the big occasion. (It's the Fern way of things....)
Well we are yet to see Stevenson at fullback in a test match. One game on the wing when the whole team was changed doesn't answer the question of him as a fullback.
@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
This is the same legacy that foster has been systematically dismantling since his appointment? There are many reasons none of us trust fosters ABs see the fosters first thread
TBF, there were many on here who wanted Shaun Stevenson parachuted into the starting AB 15 as he had all the skills, experience was over-rated and he was the man for the big occasion. (It's the Fern way of things....)
Well we are yet to see Stevenson at fullback in a test match. One game on the wing when the whole team was changed doesn't answer the question of him as a fullback.
No, we just extrapolate from the glaring issues identified in SR.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
None of them lost to Ireland or Argentina, Foster has done both
Foster hasn't lost to Wales either. We lost to Irish & Welsh club teams in the '70's
Cos it didn't matter, it was the test that did. Different times, but tests were still all.
Bullfuckingshit.
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Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
Good to see Samisoni.
Still disagree with the selection of Christie. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
It's all hyperbolic bullshit anyway. Damaged the legacy? jog on.
Lost the Bledisloe? No
Lost the Rugby Championship? No
Crashed out of the World Cup early? No"Oh but we lost to Ireland for the first time" they wail. Have Ireland ever been the best team in the world before?
"we lost to France!" well this is the best French team i have ever seen. And we've only played them in France.Has it all been sunshine and blowjobs? No. Losing to Argentina at home still rankles, despite the fact they gat an annual chance at it now. And there have been some very average games. But really, that is just us reverting to the mean. Even this tarnished legacy regime is winning 7 out of 10 times isn't it?
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
98 was fucking vintage compared to some of the bumbling, clueless losses under Foster.
No it was not. '98 was fucking horrific. Nothing compares to 1998 in my lifetime.
@Damo said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
It's all hyperbolic bullshit anyway. Damaged the legacy? jog on.
Lost the Bledisloe? No
Lost the Rugby Championship? No
Crashed out of the World Cup early? No"Oh but we lost to Ireland for the first time" they wail. Have Ireland ever been the best team in the world before?
"we lost to France!" well this is the best French team i have ever seen. And we've only played them in France.Has it all been sunshine and blowjobs? No. Losing to Argentina at home still rankles, despite the fact they gat an annual chance at it now. And there have been some very average games. But really, that is just us reverting to the mean. Even this tarnished legacy regime is winning 7 out of 10 times isn't it?
Not a vintage AB period, but the real old guys here will tell you about times we couldn't win games. Fuck, even i remember 1998.
98 was fucking vintage compared to some of the bumbling, clueless losses under Foster.
No it was not. '98 was fucking horrific. Nothing compares to 1998 in my lifetime.
No it wasn't. It was a team that had to rapidly rebuild and was bloody unlucky not to win 3 of those 5 games. They were effing robbed against SA and would have won both with video refs. I'll fucking take that over a series loss to Ireland at home, loss to SA, loss to Argentina at home and that bloody draw against England.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
This is the same legacy that foster has been systematically dismantling since his appointment? There are many reasons none of us trust fosters ABs see the fosters first thread
TBF, there were many on here who wanted Shaun Stevenson parachuted into the starting AB 15 as he had all the skills, experience was over-rated and he was the man for the big occasion. (It's the Fern way of things....)
Well we are yet to see Stevenson at fullback in a test match. One game on the wing when the whole team was changed doesn't answer the question of him as a fullback.
No, we just extrapolate from the glaring issues identified in SR.
@antipodean said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
This is the same legacy that foster has been systematically dismantling since his appointment? There are many reasons none of us trust fosters ABs see the fosters first thread
TBF, there were many on here who wanted Shaun Stevenson parachuted into the starting AB 15 as he had all the skills, experience was over-rated and he was the man for the big occasion. (It's the Fern way of things....)
Well we are yet to see Stevenson at fullback in a test match. One game on the wing when the whole team was changed doesn't answer the question of him as a fullback.
No, we just extrapolate from the glaring issues identified in SR.
The same SR where Frizell, Jordie and Rieko all looked pedestrian
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Stuff reporting Telea back, Whitelock to start/Retallick to bench and Samisoni to take Coles' bench spot
Locks rotation understandable, but Sami coming back to the bench seems odd unless they feel like we will really need him against the Boks so he needs game time now?
Give Sami some game time in case Cody or Cole get injured?
Think injuries could be key to winning if we get to the Final.
