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RWC SF: England v Springboks

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  • African MonkeyA African Monkey

    England to win? I can't see them getting anywhere near the Boks. They're going up about 3-4 levels and can thank the draw for getting this far. Their forwards have barely held their own against tier 2 opposition in the last 2 weeks, so I give them next to no hope in this next match against a brutal Boks pack.

    SA by 20 at least.

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    @African-Monkey forget about that. England haven't play not even close to their full potential. The Boks had a tough game and will have to pull them up to that level again. We also will have a total different gameplan against England.

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    • OomPBO OomPB

      @African-Monkey forget about that. England haven't play not even close to their full potential. The Boks had a tough game and will have to pull them up to that level again. We also will have a total different gameplan against England.

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      @OomPB I think they have. Getting this far for them is a great result with how limited they are. They're just not very good.

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        @OomPB I think they have. Getting this far for them is a great result with how limited they are. They're just not very good.

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        @African-Monkey I think England will be competitive for about 50 mins, then the SA grind game will beat them into submission and run away with it, especially once they utilise thier HIA bench 😉

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        • DodgeD Dodge

          We’re going to get smashed. Our forwards are no physical match for the Boks, in the loose or at the set piece. And our backs aren’t good enough to live off shit ball, which is all they’ll get. Mitchell is going to get squashed going backwards.

          Actually dreading how embarrassing it might be.

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          @Dodge England beat the Boks last time they played in 2021. Marcus Smith was playing 10 though 😬

          Teams from that day:

          England Team
          1 Bevan Rodd
          2 Jamie Blamire
          3 Kyle Sinckler
          4 Maro Itoje
          5 Jonny Hill
          6 Courtney Lawes (Captain)
          7 Sam Underhill
          8 Tom Curry
          9 Ben Youngs
          10 Marcus Smith
          11 Jonny May
          12 Manu Tuilagi
          13 Henry Slade
          14 Joe Marchant
          15 Freddie Steward

          South Africa Team
          1 Ox Nché
          2 Bongi Mbonambi
          3 Trevor Nyakane
          4 Eben Etzebeth
          5 Lood de Jager
          6 Siya Kolisi (Captain)
          7 Kwagga Smith
          8 Duane Vermeulen
          9 Cobus Reinach
          10 Handré Pollard
          11 Makazole Mapimpi
          12 Damian de Allende
          13 Lukhanyo Am
          14 Jesse Kriel
          15 Willie le Roux

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            @Dodge England beat the Boks last time they played in 2021. Marcus Smith was playing 10 though 😬

            Teams from that day:

            England Team
            1 Bevan Rodd
            2 Jamie Blamire
            3 Kyle Sinckler
            4 Maro Itoje
            5 Jonny Hill
            6 Courtney Lawes (Captain)
            7 Sam Underhill
            8 Tom Curry
            9 Ben Youngs
            10 Marcus Smith
            11 Jonny May
            12 Manu Tuilagi
            13 Henry Slade
            14 Joe Marchant
            15 Freddie Steward

            South Africa Team
            1 Ox Nché
            2 Bongi Mbonambi
            3 Trevor Nyakane
            4 Eben Etzebeth
            5 Lood de Jager
            6 Siya Kolisi (Captain)
            7 Kwagga Smith
            8 Duane Vermeulen
            9 Cobus Reinach
            10 Handré Pollard
            11 Makazole Mapimpi
            12 Damian de Allende
            13 Lukhanyo Am
            14 Jesse Kriel
            15 Willie le Roux

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            @stodders

            Are you forgetting the November 2022 game when we got mullered?

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              I think the English back row can live with the Boks. I'm not sure the tight 5 can. And i don't know where their points are coming from.
              I think some are underselling the Fijian pack a little. They are really physical, and really hard at the breakdown, and the English beat them.
              South Africa will have to work to win this, but it i think it's the weapons out wider that will make the difference.

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              • Billy WebbB Billy Webb

                @Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                We’re going to get smashed. Our forwards are no physical match for the Boks, in the loose or at the set piece. And our backs aren’t good enough to live off shit ball, which is all they’ll get. Mitchell is going to get squashed going backwards.

                Actually dreading how embarrassing it might be.

                How I wish that your post becomes reality Dodge.

                But I think you're being overly pessimistic.
                England are starting to put it together when it counts.
                Their self belief has grown considerably and player performance with it.
                They have settled on a game plan which is well suited to knockout rugby.

                As a Bok fan, I am nervous for this game. I'm hoping we didn't play our "final" this Sunday against France.
                There is a memory from a 2019 semi England played in that is haunting me....

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                @Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                There is a memory from a 2019 semi England played in that is haunting me....

                You'll be fine, I'm sure Rassie Nienaber wont change the make up of the team to combat one aspect of England's play and then not combat that aspect at all during the game.

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  I think the English back row can live with the Boks. I'm not sure the tight 5 can. And i don't know where their points are coming from.
                  I think some are underselling the Fijian pack a little. They are really physical, and really hard at the breakdown, and the English beat them.
                  South Africa will have to work to win this, but it i think it's the weapons out wider that will make the difference.

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                  @mariner4life said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                  I think the English back row can live with the Boks. I'm not sure the tight 5 can. And i don't know where their points are coming from.

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                  • CatograndeC Catogrande

                    @stodders

                    Are you forgetting the November 2022 game when we got mullered?

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                    @Catogrande did England play last November? I thought they took the time off 😂

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                      @Catogrande did England play last November? I thought they took the time off 😂

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                      @stodders

                      Touche mon frère!

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                        Ben O'Keeffe is the ref

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                          Ben O'Keeffe is the ref

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                          @KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                          Ben O'Keeffe is the ref

                          16 Boks against 15.

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                            Luke Pearce for final, please.

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                              Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand) will take charge of England v South Africa in Saint-Denis on Saturday, 21 October (21:00 CET). He will be joined by assistant referees Andrew Brace (Ireland) and Paul Williams (New Zealand) and TMO Brendon Pickerill (New Zealand).

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                                The New Zealand official will referee England v South Africa for the second time, having been in the middle for South Africa’s 42-39 victory in June 2018.

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                                  Happy with B.O.K.
                                  Despite all the flak he copped recently, I rate him as the best ref at the RWC.
                                  I just hope all the criticism doesn't change the way he oversees a game normally.

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                                    Happy with B.O.K.
                                    Despite all the flak he copped recently, I rate him as the best ref at the RWC.
                                    I just hope all the criticism doesn't change the way he oversees a game normally.

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                                    @Billy-Webb He'll be watching the review of the France game and pinging the Boks all night at the breakdown 😉

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                                      @Billy-Webb He'll be watching the review of the France game and pinging the Boks all night at the breakdown 😉

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                                      @stodders

                                      Yeah... that's what worries me. An over-correction.
                                      But to be honest, I expect him to be better than that.

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                                        @stodders

                                        Yeah... that's what worries me. An over-correction.
                                        But to be honest, I expect him to be better than that.

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                                        @Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                                        @stodders

                                        Yeah... that's what worries me. An over-correction.
                                        But to be honest, I expect him to hope he'll be better than that.

                                        FIFY

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                                        • Billy WebbB Billy Webb

                                          @stodders

                                          Yeah... that's what worries me. An over-correction.
                                          But to be honest, I expect him to be better than that.

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                                          @Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                                          @stodders

                                          Yeah... that's what worries me. An over-correction.
                                          But to be honest, I expect him to hope he won't be better than that.

                                          FIFY

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