RWC SF: England v Springboks
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South African media bullish about Bok chances:
"Yet while the different routes they took to the semifinals may be England’s big hope, meaning that less may have been taken out of them than has been taken out of the South Africans, that didn’t really look to be the case after their close win over Fiji in Marseille. They were playing lesser opponents and it was definitely a lower tier and inferior game to either of the Paris quarterfinals, but Owen Farrell’s team had to work as hard for victory as the Boks did.
They also don't have the depth, no other team has, that the Boks have, and therefore don't have the leeway their opponents may have when it comes to ensuring or even creating freshness."
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I’d prefer to see England win this one. It’d be great for them to make the final after all the crap they’ve been through in the last 12 months or so.
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@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I’d prefer to see England win this one. It’d be great for them to make the final after all the crap they’ve been through in the last 12 months or so.
Please elaborate
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@MN5 They took a lot of stick from sections of their own media after losses last autumn and in the Six Nations. They even got booed off by their own fans.
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It’s a real shame this game is not Fra vs Eng. Here in France the enthusiasm for the tournament (in a country where rugby is mainly followed in the SW) has faded right away. A NZ vs Fra final would have brought real rugby fervour. Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either.
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It’s a real shame this game is not Fra vs Eng. Here in France the enthusiasm for the tournament (in a country where rugby is mainly followed in the SW) has faded right away. A NZ vs Fra final would have brought real rugby fervour. Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
It’s a real shame this game is not Fra vs Eng. Here in France the enthusiasm for the tournament (in a country where rugby is mainly followed in the SW) has faded right away. A NZ vs Fra final would have brought real rugby fervour. Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either.
Typical French fluffybunnies
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It’s a real shame this game is not Fra vs Eng. Here in France the enthusiasm for the tournament (in a country where rugby is mainly followed in the SW) has faded right away. A NZ vs Fra final would have brought real rugby fervour. Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
It’s a real shame this game is not Fra vs Eng. Here in France the enthusiasm for the tournament (in a country where rugby is mainly followed in the SW) has faded right away. A NZ vs Fra final would have brought real rugby fervour. Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either.
I hear a lot of England fans and London-based Saffas are heading to Paris this weekend.
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@MN5 They took a lot of stick from sections of their own media after losses last autumn and in the Six Nations. They even got booed off by their own fans.
@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@MN5 They took a lot of stick from sections of their own media after losses last autumn and in the Six Nations. They even got booed off by their own fans.
What ? This has happened in England since the dawn of competitive sport and media covering it. Cry me a river and maybe watch the Beckham doco for some perspective.
Go South Africa !!!!
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It’s a real shame this game is not Fra vs Eng. Here in France the enthusiasm for the tournament (in a country where rugby is mainly followed in the SW) has faded right away. A NZ vs Fra final would have brought real rugby fervour. Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Don’t think either semifinal is going to sell out now either
3 countries whose people are known for travelling and upping sticks to far flung countries, and a country just a train ride from London?
I'd be very surprised if a game as close to a friendly as you can get sells out in London when England isn't involved, I'd be pretty surprised if these games don't.
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@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@MN5 They took a lot of stick from sections of their own media after losses last autumn and in the Six Nations. They even got booed off by their own fans.
What ? This has happened in England since the dawn of competitive sport and media covering it. Cry me a river and maybe watch the Beckham doco for some perspective.
Go South Africa !!!!
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Earl has been very good but not really in a traditional No8 way. He’s been playing a great flanker’s role with an 8 on his back. A bit like Savea from a year or so back.
@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Earl has been very good but not really in a traditional No8 way. He’s been playing a great flanker’s role with an 8 on his back. A bit like Savea from a year or so back.
Earl is like a 7.5. Knows how to disrupt the ball. I suspect the Boks will target him and try and get him stuck at the bottom of the tackle and rucks.
For me the difference is the pace out wide of the Boks. With any space those two wingers can be electric.
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
@Dodge yeah, club rugby isn't that appealing at the moment, well for me anyway. The below the sternum tackle thing is going to be difficult to get used to - although I have noticed that it's only refs getting assessed that are hot on it. The other thing being, that for some stupid reason now, they've pushed the "3 subs only" rule waaaaay down the leagues, so can't even do rolling subs (the other day we had to roll out a team of 11 players just so they could get a game, instead of being able to sub on in other matches).
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
@Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
French don’t like the argies. They really like nz. I’d say NZ > SA > Arg > Eng imo.
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
@Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Very much like ABs last weekend
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
Yeah I certainly don't want Rassie and his bag-o-cheats anywhere near another victory
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Still heaps of tickets category 1 and 2 for resell on official site.
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For a minute there, I thought Walrus was talking about Times Rugby writers
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No change for the boks
South Africa team to face England
Damian Willemse; Kurt-Lee Arendse, Jesse Kriel, Damian de Allende, Cheslin Kolbe; Manie Libbok, Cobus Reinach; Steven Kitshoff, Mbongeni Mbonambi, Frans Malherbe; Eben Etzebeth, Franco Mostert; Siya Kolisi (c), Pieter-Steph du Toit, Duane Vermeulen.
Replacements: Deon Fourie, Ox Nche, Vincent Koch, RG Snyman, Kwagga Smith, Faf de Klerk, Handré Pollard, Willie Le Roux
