Wayne Barnes gooone!
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Barnes was a really good ref, reffing at the hardest time in the history of the sport. Wish him all the best, and he's right to call out the abuse.
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@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
I've always maintained if that had happened to a British team or SA he'd have been hounded out of the game. No way in hell the Saffas would have accepted him to ref them ever again. And tbh I don't blame them.
As to the online abuse, the internet and social media have always been a sewer in that regard. Not sure why people are continually shocked after a quarter century.
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I don't think he's ever been a good referee. When pushed the only aspect people say to me in the positive are "he's a good communicator" and "lets the game flow".
Saying "sorry" or "that's not how I saw it" isn't an acceptable standard at Test level for getting things obviously wrong. Letting the game flow is a predictable outcome from a person who gets overwhelmed at ruck time and either doesn't make a good decision, or makes no decision at all. In that respect he hadn't changed despite refereeing hundreds of first class games.
In some respects this isn't all his fault with the gin-soaked morons in puzzle palace coming up with increasingly daft and contradictory solutions to improve the game, but he is the man out in the middle with the whistle and last I checked, he gets to make the final decision.
Is he better than some of the others? No doubt. But how low are we setting the bar with Williams, Carley, Way etc. ?
More broadly this is proof that you have to be Egon Seconds or Rasta Rasivhenge bad to get sacked and herein lies the real problem: Once a union has identified and invested in you (a game of politics even in the beginning of a ref's career), you're pretty much on the path regardless. In the professional era, rugby needs to move on from the amateur mindset that refs can't be publicly criticised.
As to online abuse, what Wayne speaks of following the France vs South Africa game last year, that's despicable.
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@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
I've always maintained if that had happened to a British team or SA he'd have been hounded out of the game. No way in hell the Saffas would have accepted him to ref them ever again. And tbh I don't blame them.
As to the online abuse, the internet and social media have always been a sewer in that regard. Not sure why people are continually shocked after a quarter century.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
I've always maintained if that had happened to a British team or SA he'd have been hounded out of the game. No way in hell the Saffas would have accepted him to ref them ever again. And tbh I don't blame them.
As to the online abuse, the internet and social media have always been a sewer in that regard. Not sure why people are continually shocked after a quarter century.
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@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
Yes. There was the forward pass which he missed despite his AR being right there and of course him refusing your boys the option of a DG. All down to him.
@Catogrande said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
Yes. There was the forward pass which he missed despite his AR being right there and of course him refusing your boys the option of a DG. All down to him.
The forward pass wasn't the complaint by most people (including Graham Henry). It was the AR (Kaplan IIRC) that missed / ignored it, as you say.
It was Barnes swallowing his whistle that was the problem. Multiple clear and obvious offences that weren't given. Unduly influenced by a rabid French crowd probably. They conceded only 2 penalties FFS! He simply wasn't ready to have been appointed that match, so I have always blamed Paddy O'Brien as much as Barnes.
Keep mentioning the forward pass as the only event if you like, because he did miss that too.
The ABs also have their highest percentage of losses under him than any other ref, so personally I won't miss him. He certainly wasn't the worst around. Would have preferred Nige any time though.
As for death threats - he has never been on my list...(joking, that is complete bullshit). I knew a Bryce Lawrence (not the ref) and he had death threat calls in the middle of the night from Sth Africa. He was an eighty year old man. Pillocks.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
I've always maintained if that had happened to a British team or SA he'd have been hounded out of the game. No way in hell the Saffas would have accepted him to ref them ever again. And tbh I don't blame them.
As to the online abuse, the internet and social media have always been a sewer in that regard. Not sure why people are continually shocked after a quarter century.
@MN5 said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
I've always maintained if that had happened to a British team or SA he'd have been hounded out of the game. No way in hell the Saffas would have accepted him to ref them ever again. And tbh I don't blame them.
As to the online abuse, the internet and social media have always been a sewer in that regard. Not sure why people are continually shocked after a quarter century.
I cant stop reading this with a lisp, exactly as Mike Tyson would
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@Catogrande said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
What a piston wristed gibbon! Fucked the ABs over in 2007 big time.
Yes. There was the forward pass which he missed despite his AR being right there and of course him refusing your boys the option of a DG. All down to him.
The forward pass wasn't the complaint by most people (including Graham Henry). It was the AR (Kaplan IIRC) that missed / ignored it, as you say.
It was Barnes swallowing his whistle that was the problem. Multiple clear and obvious offences that weren't given. Unduly influenced by a rabid French crowd probably. They conceded only 2 penalties FFS! He simply wasn't ready to have been appointed that match, so I have always blamed Paddy O'Brien as much as Barnes.
Keep mentioning the forward pass as the only event if you like, because he did miss that too.
The ABs also have their highest percentage of losses under him than any other ref, so personally I won't miss him. He certainly wasn't the worst around. Would have preferred Nige any time though.
As for death threats - he has never been on my list...(joking, that is complete bullshit). I knew a Bryce Lawrence (not the ref) and he had death threat calls in the middle of the night from Sth Africa. He was an eighty year old man. Pillocks.
Yeah, you have a point about the penalty count.
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He’s certainly not the best, but by christ he’s streets ahead of others during his career
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I suspect this was always the plan, but if the death threats etc have had an impact that's a real shame. He's a great ref, will be sorely missed. Anyone who's gone personal with ref abuse needs to take a hard look at themselves and give themselves an uppercut.
Reffing these days is the single hardest job in the game, even this weekend, the vitriol and vehemence with which opinions have been delivered (I'm talking about twitter more than this site) only to be disagreed with with equivalent vehemence and vitriol just shows that abuse and entitlement has gone too far.
To those calling for a winding back of the TMO, you must be aware that the consequence will be more abuse of the man in the middle as inevitably more mistakes are made. We don't live in a sporting world where mistakes are accepted at all, in cricket, football, rugby you name it without tantrums being thrown - it feels difficult to see a return to simpler times.
@Dodge said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
those calling for a winding back of the TMO, you must be aware that the consequence will be more abuse of the man in the middle as inevitably more mistakes are made.
Those people saying "just let the boys play!" will be the same ones livid about a replay showing a tiny infringement that disadvantages their team.
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Hats off to a top rugby man. Thought he showed real guts to weather the fallout from 07 QF as a young ref and then use it to dramatically improve the weaknesses in his reffing. Much like the other GOATs who went through that also had find a way through the postQF gauntlet.
Fair fucks to him. he went away let the pain drive him forward and waited 14 years to deliver his revenge in the coldest way possible: giving every marginal call possible against the ABs.
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Hats off to a top rugby man. Thought he showed real guts to weather the fallout from 07 QF as a young ref and then use it to dramatically improve the weaknesses in his reffing. Much like the other GOATs who went through that also had find a way through the postQF gauntlet.
Fair fucks to him. he went away let the pain drive him forward and waited 14 years to deliver his revenge in the coldest way possible: giving every marginal call possible against the ABs.
@Smuts I wish Jordie Barrett had nailed the 74th minute penalty, if only to see the reaction/meltdown of the Bok supporter base. Would have been epic, especially if the stories are true of what he endured after Marseille 2022
Would have made Pieter van Zyl look like a reasonable person I think 
Barnes must have obviously felt that the fallout of denying the Boks was worse than doing the ABs over again
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@Smuts I wish Jordie Barrett had nailed the 74th minute penalty, if only to see the reaction/meltdown of the Bok supporter base. Would have been epic, especially if the stories are true of what he endured after Marseille 2022
Would have made Pieter van Zyl look like a reasonable person I think Barnes must have obviously felt that the fallout of denying the Boks was worse than doing the ABs over again
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Hats off to a top rugby man. Thought he showed real guts to weather the fallout from 07 QF as a young ref and then use it to dramatically improve the weaknesses in his reffing. Much like the other GOATs who went through that also had find a way through the postQF gauntlet.
Fair fucks to him. he went away let the pain drive him forward and waited 14 years to deliver his revenge in the coldest way possible: giving every marginal call possible against the ABs.
@Smuts said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
Fair fucks to him. he went away let the pain drive him forward and waited 14 years to deliver his revenge in the coldest way possible: giving every marginal call possible against the ABs.
He was even smarter than that - he managed to get most of the vitriol for destroying a rugby match, again, deflected onto the TMO.
I note that many of his defenders are English. It is easier for them to rate him....they never played in his "matches".
Sadly, as I, and several others have said, he was far from the worst and all of the refs are hamstrung by an unworkable set of rules and protocols laid out by an incompetent bunch of morons. (Yes, I am bitter that I would now rather mow lawns on a Saturday than watch rugby - union).
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He was the start of a generation of refs who wanted be the centre of attention. Good riddance!
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
He was the start of a generation of refs who wanted be the centre of attention. Good riddance!
Steve Walsh says hi. Oh wait a moment, he says get fucked that was me.
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@stodders I should add that I don't direct this at the Bok supporters on here, who have been very restrained and respectful in their celebrations
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@Smuts said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
Fair fucks to him. he went away let the pain drive him forward and waited 14 years to deliver his revenge in the coldest way possible: giving every marginal call possible against the ABs.
He was even smarter than that - he managed to get most of the vitriol for destroying a rugby match, again, deflected onto the TMO.
I note that many of his defenders are English. It is easier for them to rate him....they never played in his "matches".
Sadly, as I, and several others have said, he was far from the worst and all of the refs are hamstrung by an unworkable set of rules and protocols laid out by an incompetent bunch of morons. (Yes, I am bitter that I would now rather mow lawns on a Saturday than watch rugby - union).
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@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
He was the start of a generation of refs who wanted be the centre of attention. Good riddance!
Steve Walsh says hi. Oh wait a moment, he says get fucked that was me.
@Catogrande said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
@sparky said in Wayne Barnes gooone!:
He was the start of a generation of refs who wanted be the centre of attention. Good riddance!
Steve Walsh says hi. Oh wait a moment, he says get fucked that was me.
yes but he also had better hair.
