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CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand

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  • ChrisC Chris

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

    Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

    Kuggelijn - No.
    Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
    Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
    Bracewell - nope
    Duffy - nope
    Ashok - a spinner
    Hampton - 32 yo
    Foulkes - right arm medium.
    Sheat - right arm medium
    Randell right arm medium
    Toole - LEFT arm medium
    Tickner....

    We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

    Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

    no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

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    @Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

    Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

    Kuggelijn - No.
    Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
    Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
    Bracewell - nope
    Duffy - nope
    Ashok - a spinner
    Hampton - 32 yo
    Foulkes - right arm medium.
    Sheat - right arm medium
    Randell right arm medium
    Toole - LEFT arm medium
    Tickner....

    We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

    Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

    no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

    I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.

    But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.

    Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.

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    • Chris B.C Chris B.

      @Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

      @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

      https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

      Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

      Kuggelijn - No.
      Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
      Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
      Bracewell - nope
      Duffy - nope
      Ashok - a spinner
      Hampton - 32 yo
      Foulkes - right arm medium.
      Sheat - right arm medium
      Randell right arm medium
      Toole - LEFT arm medium
      Tickner....

      We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

      Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

      no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

      I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.

      But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.

      Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.

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      #302

      @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

      @Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

      @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

      https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

      Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

      Kuggelijn - No.
      Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
      Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
      Bracewell - nope
      Duffy - nope
      Ashok - a spinner
      Hampton - 32 yo
      Foulkes - right arm medium.
      Sheat - right arm medium
      Randell right arm medium
      Toole - LEFT arm medium
      Tickner....

      We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

      Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

      no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

      I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.

      But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.

      Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.

      It is worth a go you can ease a couple in around Jamieson and Henry with Santner they have cover. It is worth a try to get some development at a higher level.
      I am talking about white ball cricket not test matches just yet, that way they can bowl shorter spells work on variations before entering test cricket.

      I don't expect miracles yeah some of the worlds better batsmen will get hold of them but that is happening now anyway to the older bowlers, hopefully they learn as they go no pain no gain holds true.

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      • ChrisC Chris

        @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

        @Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

        @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

        https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

        Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

        Kuggelijn - No.
        Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
        Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
        Bracewell - nope
        Duffy - nope
        Ashok - a spinner
        Hampton - 32 yo
        Foulkes - right arm medium.
        Sheat - right arm medium
        Randell right arm medium
        Toole - LEFT arm medium
        Tickner....

        We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

        Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

        no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

        I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.

        But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.

        Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.

        It is worth a go you can ease a couple in around Jamieson and Henry with Santner they have cover. It is worth a try to get some development at a higher level.
        I am talking about white ball cricket not test matches just yet, that way they can bowl shorter spells work on variations before entering test cricket.

        I don't expect miracles yeah some of the worlds better batsmen will get hold of them but that is happening now anyway to the older bowlers, hopefully they learn as they go no pain no gain holds true.

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        @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

        Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

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        • Chris B.C Chris B.

          @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

          Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

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          @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

          @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

          Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

          Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.

          I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.

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          • Chris B.C Chris B.

            @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

            Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

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            Chris
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            @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

            @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

            Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

            I see your point maybe 50/50 call I think,,But I do like Chapman as well he hits clean with nice fast hands.

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            • MN5M MN5

              @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

              @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

              Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

              Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.

              I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.

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              ChrisC Online
              Chris
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              @MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

              @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

              @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

              Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

              Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.

              I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.

              yep fair call there I think, he just didn't quite get there.

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              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

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                @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

                fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

                Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                  @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                  Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

                  fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

                  Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

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                  @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                  @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                  @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                  Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

                  fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

                  Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

                  Yeah - we needed that lbw review where he got a little inside edge. Shubman had an early inside edge that just missed leg stump ad went for four.

                  I think it was Rohit who cut wide of point in the air.

                  These were the "everythings" Doull said we needed to go our way - including the toss.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

                    fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

                    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

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                    #309

                    @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

                    fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

                    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

                    His test record could be better though

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                    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                      @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                      @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

                      Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

                      fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

                      Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

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                      @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                      Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

                      John's son Daryl made two hundreds vs India at this World Cup and lost both times!

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                      • Chris B.C Chris B.

                        @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                        Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

                        John's son Daryl made two hundreds vs India at this World Cup and lost both times!

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                        @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                        @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                        Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

                        John's son Daryl made two hundreds vs India at this World Cup and lost both times!

                        oh the delicious smug feelings in the bar afterwards

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                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                          @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                          @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                          Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

                          John's son Daryl made two hundreds vs India at this World Cup and lost both times!

                          oh the delicious smug feelings in the bar afterwards

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                          @mariner4life He's on a Journey!

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                          • Chris B.C Chris B.

                            @mariner4life He's on a Journey!

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                            @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                            @mariner4life He's on a Journey!

                            i want Daryl Mitchell to be captain and drop Tim Southee so Nepia can hate him for life.

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                              🙂

                              https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-15338?team=5

                              He had a pretty good tournament - stats pretty much equivalent to Ravindra.

                              Might do OK in the IPL auction as well!!!

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                                🙂

                                https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-15338?team=5

                                He had a pretty good tournament - stats pretty much equivalent to Ravindra.

                                Might do OK in the IPL auction as well!!!

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                                @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                                Might do OK in the IPL auction as well!!!

                                Reckon he and Ravindra are going to be getting new cars soon

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                                  @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

                                  Might do OK in the IPL auction as well!!!

                                  Reckon he and Ravindra are going to be getting new cars soon

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                                  @nzzp https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/batting-highest-career-batting-average/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-15338

                                  They've matched the elite Indian batsmen - well, not quite Kohli, but he's had some tournament - averaging over 100!

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                                    700 runs! at 90 as well. jesus.

                                    Quint the cock needs 120 tonight to catch him

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                                    • RapidoR Rapido

                                      Who gives a sh!t about the pitch. C'mon. It's an ODI. It's a pitch full of runs that is easy to bat on. Broadly like every other ODI pitch for the last 30 years.

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                                      @Rapido yeah the pitch was fine. There was however significant advantage to whoever won the toss (and batted first) because of the humid day time conditions and being out in the field and the night time is clearly the better time to bowl there.

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                                        Ben Sears is the probably the next Adam Milne, can bowl fast so will get picked but is not actually that good a bowler so will end up with an average record.

                                        Kristian Clarke is young and has a good domestic record so far so would say he is worth a shot:
                                        https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/kristian-clarke-1193549

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                                        • L LABCAT

                                          Ben Sears is the probably the next Adam Milne, can bowl fast so will get picked but is not actually that good a bowler so will end up with an average record.

                                          Kristian Clarke is young and has a good domestic record so far so would say he is worth a shot:
                                          https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/kristian-clarke-1193549

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                                          @LABCAT lol Sears will be a much better bowler than Milne IMO.

                                          Conway said he was the quickest bowler he had ever faced when Sears came into the Firebirds setup a few years ago.

                                          At the time he believed him and Ravindra were going to have a huge futures in the Black Caps. He’s so far right on one of them, hopefully he’s right with Sears aswell.

                                          Sears was injured most of last year but hopefully he hits his stride this year. He took a wicket in the first ball he bowled this year against Canterbury.

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