The Fun Police. Has It Worked?
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@MajorRage said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you might have hit the nail on the head there. Thought provoking.
I reckon he's got it. I look back on things I said and did in the office from the late 90s and thought that shit would never fly these days.
In parallel, having a daughter who recently turned 16 has fine tuned what I find appropriate in the "behaviour to women" bucket.
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@antipodean said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
@MajorRage said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
Side Note. My fave movie growing up was Revenge of the Nerds, and despite all good intentions, there is a rape scene in it (despite the outcome). I'm happy to agree that it's right that movies have moved on from this.
I watched High Plains Drifter again last night and the rape scenes made me uncomfortable - especially the representation of the protesting woman getting what she actually wanted.
@MN5 said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
I still laugh at Married with Children reels ( Facebook knows me so well ) and Blazing Saddles.
Blazing Saddles would never be made these days. And I actually consider this a detriment as the very people who would strenuously object would be clearly missing the point.
That’s a good point actually. Not Clints finest moment.
It was like when Bond “converted” Pussy Galore into fighting for the side of good and liking dick in Goldfinger
That romp in the hay has aged pretty badly.
Not to mention this scene in the same flick.
To be fair I sometimes give the girl a smack on the arse and send her on her way if I’m having a chat with a mate though.
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this is an interesting thread, mostly i think it shows how attitudes have changed for the better - if not everywhere, then at least in progressive liberal societies.
I was in New York a few weeks ago and went to see Bill Burr at MSG - two things struck me very hard, the first was that the warm up acts were genuinely terrible - most jokes were based on the premise that black people and white people hate each other, if you don't accept the premise, the jokes just aren't funny and actually are quite annoying / offensive. It was really noticeable that the group of English people i was with just weren't laughing and were somewhat baffled, or bored by the shouty bullshit, the American's around me all rolling around in the aisles - so context and personal experience is critical.
The second thing that struck me was how American's seem to like much more obvious jokes, and through BB's set, we were just laughing in totally different places in the routine - so again, sense's of humour differ.
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Blazing Saddles was a searing prediction of the RWC quarter finals.
Not the Irish!But possibly some of its fine linguistic research would sail over the heads of today's youthful censors:
Gabby Johnson: I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
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@Frank said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
@MN5 said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
To be fair I sometimes give the girl a smack on the arse and send her on her way if I’m having a chat with a mate though.
Really?
I think he was being ironic.....
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@Dodge said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
this is an interesting thread, mostly i think it shows how attitudes have changed for the better - if not everywhere, then at least in progressive liberal societies.
I was in New York a few weeks ago and went to see Bill Burr at MSG - two things struck me very hard, the first was that the warm up acts were genuinely terrible - most jokes were based on the premise that black people and white people hate each other, if you don't accept the premise, the jokes just aren't funny and actually are quite annoying / offensive. It was really noticeable that the group of English people i was with just weren't laughing and were somewhat baffled, or bored by the shouty bullshit, the American's around me all rolling around in the aisles - so context and personal experience is critical.
The second thing that struck me was how American's seem to like much more obvious jokes, and through BB's set, we were just laughing in totally different places in the routine - so again, sense's of humour differ.
It's always been this way. Contrast British comedy TV shows with American ones, the American audience generally don't do nuance, they prefer slapstick and sight gags
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@Frank said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
@MN5 said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
To be fair I sometimes give the girl a smack on the arse and send her on her way if I’m having a chat with a mate though.
Really?
Yeah, she needs a hurry up on the way to the kitchen or if she hasn’t fetched my pipe and slippers quick enough.
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@MajorRage said in The Fun Police. Has It Worked?:
So, here's the thing. Has wokeness actually worked on me, or have time changed so much that classic songs / movies are now more of a real representation of an awful time for woman / lgbt that has passed?
I think the term 'wokeness' clouds things a bit. It's become a bit of a loaded term.
I'd say the more extreme political 'wokeness' would be saying that these songs/movies are offensive and should no longer be heard/seen. Or edited to reflect more modern sensibilities.
What you are describing is a pretty natural and sensible reaction I think. We now know and understand a lot more about sexism/racism than we did in the 80s. Some things were OK to joke about then but certainly aren't now.
The best response is to understand the context, but still wince at the funny rape scene or the slur in the Dire Straits song. I think that's a pretty good way to go about it.
