Aussie Summer of Cricket
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@Rapido said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
My post is half doom-mongering about Australia dominating regardless, part lamenting our decline with no re-newal imminent, and part moaning that Smith annoys me.
Not really a serious post on his suitability to open.
But, he'll be fine. He'll be better than Joe Burns, and he crushed us. When we were good.
Nope Smith will fail as an opener .
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@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
That is why Cricket Australia will not use him as an opener they know it too.
Ahem
@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Chris said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
That is why Cricket Australia will not use him as an opener they know it too.
Ahem
Big mistake Smith obviously has gotten his own way.
Although to be fair you could open the batting against the West Indies with a schoolboy and he would score runs. -
Lol. The rumours were true
@NTA said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Lol. The rumours were true
Gee whiz the line between sporting hero and national dickhead is pretty fine in Australia…..
Warner was ( I’ll say that since he is retired ) a very good test opener. Overall record is impressive. I personally loved watching him bat when in form.
But LOADS of off field dickheadness tarnishes this.
Warnie was a test legend. Jeepers, how many highlights were there ? That ball to Gatting is surely the pinnacle.
…..and all of his off field shenanigans were brushed aside as classic Aussie larrikanism. Regarded as an icon on the Mt Rushmore of cricket. His personality enhanced this reputation.
Just funny is all……
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@NTA said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Lol. The rumours were true
Gee whiz the line between sporting hero and national dickhead is pretty fine in Australia…..
Warner was ( I’ll say that since he is retired ) a very good test opener. Overall record is impressive. I personally loved watching him bat when in form.
But LOADS of off field dickheadness tarnishes this.
Warnie was a test legend. Jeepers, how many highlights were there ? That ball to Gatting is surely the pinnacle.
…..and all of his off field shenanigans were brushed aside as classic Aussie larrikanism. Regarded as an icon on the Mt Rushmore of cricket. His personality enhanced this reputation.
Just funny is all……
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
I’m not sure you can bag him for that, McGrath had to compete against Warnie sure, but Cummins has to get his wickets before Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon etc. In terms of wickets per test they’re VERY close. Paddles for one definitely got truckloads because there wasn’t a hell of a lot of danger at the other end ( with all due respect to battlers like Chats, L Cairns, Morrison etc )
@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
First, it's Michael Vaughan, who appears to be taking over the Mark Nicholas job of "pom fellating Aus cricketers for a buck".
Second, greatest is so much more than box score. Dennis Lillee is a prime example. Record will end up probably the same, but one is a beloved iconic figure, the other is one of the more vanilla players going around even in this sanitised era.
Cummins is fucking good, but to be great you need to capture the imagination.But even if we go to box score, come on. He's got 250 wickets, and he's 30. He's not getting bulk wickets like McGrath (who already has a better average, so he'll beat him on total and average at career end), in fact there is no guarantee he even catches Starc (basically a hundred ahead).
Warne has him fucked in all ways
I’m not sure you can bag him for that, McGrath had to compete against Warnie sure, but Cummins has to get his wickets before Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon etc. In terms of wickets per test they’re VERY close. Paddles for one definitely got truckloads because there wasn’t a hell of a lot of danger at the other end ( with all due respect to battlers like Chats, L Cairns, Morrison etc )
Hmmm.
Been thinking about this but not sure how to word it. Please bear with me.
This is an accepted truth of NZ Cricket in the 70s and 80s: "Hadlee got all the wickets because the guys at the other end didn't". The inference being if NZ had world class bowlers at the other end Hadlee wouldn't have looked so good.
But ... NZ did pretty well through that period. Won a goodly amount of tests.
Meaning either the other NZ bowlers were knocking the opposition off cheaply and are not given credit, or Hadlee was far better than credited and got wickets because he was awesome. Dude can bowl only so many overs.
Personally think there's a bit of both.
Do I make sense?
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@Punch_up said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@Duluth Pros:
- Short ball will be stowed (as you mentioned). Good point.
Short ball would not be stowed as the new ball bowlers are fresher and the ball is hard, much better for bowling short deliveries.And Smith is not a fan of the ball bowled at his badge,Not a pro - Less ultra-defensive fields for Smith to contend with - these lower his scoring opportunities. The new ball needs slips and gullies. More gaps in front of square.
Yes that is the reason we have slips with a new ball we want the batsmen playing straight to a moving ball,Again Smiths technique is flawed to a moving delivery because of the arc his bat travels through these days, and his hands coming free to often, Not a pro - His ticks (adjusting his gear between each delivery and noticing a postage stamp extremely wide of long on) will annoy the fresh/ready-to-go new ball bowlers.
WHAT He faces the same opening bowlers batting at no.4 just with an older ball,I have not heard or seen any bowlers getting annoyed before.We are talking about professional bowlers.That is silly
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Cons: - Short term selection (2 or 3 years max);
- Slow strike rate. However, the ultra-defensive fields set for him probably had something to do with it.
- LBW candidate.
- Short ball will be stowed (as you mentioned). Good point.
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@NTA said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
Lol. The rumours were true
Gee whiz the line between sporting hero and national dickhead is pretty fine in Australia…..
Warner was ( I’ll say that since he is retired ) a very good test opener. Overall record is impressive. I personally loved watching him bat when in form.
But LOADS of off field dickheadness tarnishes this.
Warnie was a test legend. Jeepers, how many highlights were there ? That ball to Gatting is surely the pinnacle.
…..and all of his off field shenanigans were brushed aside as classic Aussie larrikanism. Regarded as an icon on the Mt Rushmore of cricket. His personality enhanced this reputation.
Just funny is all……
@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
…..and all of his off field shenanigans were brushed aside as classic Aussie larrikanism. Regarded as an icon on the Mt Rushmore of cricket. His personality enhanced this reputation.
Just funny is all……
There's a mighty difference between might rightly be regarded as "shenanigans" and the off-field spats and cheating that Warner specialised in.
And now Davey is trying to pretend his on-field behaviour was just an act! I'm not buying that.
Shane Warne was always enjoying himself, and he also mostly tried to make other people have fun. Warner is the sort of person who brings others down.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
How many Australian batsmen average UNDER 40 ?
Green batting at 4 is a bit of a gamble from the Aussies. But his FC average is 46.77
Also:
Green is averaging 65.09 in 24 Sheffield Shield innings at No.4 and 66.03 in his last 38 Shield innings overall -
@MN5 poor Windies, must be a hard watch for their fans these days. We've certainly been there back in the days of Pocock opening etc.
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Summer of Cricket:
@MN5 poor Windies, must be a hard watch for their fans these days. We've certainly been there back in the days of Pocock opening etc.
Yeah but we’ve had what I’d consider two hall of fame cricketers. At a guess I’d say they’ve maybe had 15-20 or so.
The decline is SO fucken bad.
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Oh the Windies Test has started
Brathwaite bowled by Cummins just as I turned the TV on
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Aussie choose to field
Australia 1 Usman Khawaja, 2 Steven Smith, 3 Marnus Labuschagne, 4 Cameron Green, 5 Travis Head, 6 Mitchell Marsh 7 Alex Carey (wk), 8 Mitchell Starc, 9 Pat Cummins (capt), 10 Nathan Lyon, 11 Josh Hazlewood
West Indies 1 Kraigg Brathwaite, 2 Tagenarine Chanderpaul, 3 Kirk McKenzie, 4 Alick Athanaze, 5 Kavem Hodge, 6 Justin Greaves, 7 Joshua Da Silva (wk), 8 Alzarri Joseph, 9 Kemar Roach, 10 Gudakesh Motie, 11 Shamar Joseph
