All Blacks vs Wales

SammyC

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Problem with that stereotype is outside of Jane in the professional era there hasn't been an AB wing with a stronger work rate than Joe Roks.</blockquote>
 
Ben smith?

rotated

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="587026" data-time="1465708400">
Ben smith?</blockquote> 
Dagg was strong too in 2010 on the wing - I would class both as fullbacks. Jane is obviously from a similar school but barely played FB in black.

booboo

Maybe start Damian McKenzie on the wing? Fixes the goal kicking problem ...

Bovidae

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I wondered if Crofty and Fekitoa were in the wrong positions - something was drastically wrong.
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This was a point I raised earlier in the year when we were discussing the midfield options. I'd like to see Fekitoa tried at 2nd 5 because he has many of the same strengths as a ball carrier that a younger Nonu did. Fekitoa has been moved there by Joseph and does provide a direct runner to bend the defensive line closer to the ruck. The other bonus is that he wouldn't then have the same responsibility as the defensive general for the ABs. Just let him run hard and straight.

jegga

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Well yeah, but I do remember a lock from BOP, Waikato or some crap team like that running him down after he made a big break. He may have been injured ?</blockquote>
 
Dave Duley?

Bovidae

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="586966" data-time="1465697611">
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Naholos running game reminds me of Sivi , with a heap more power in contact added in , 
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You think? I'd say Vidiri - power and pace.
 
Sivi was a very good playmaker and was often used as a first receiver to create opportunities for others (e.g. Weepu's try vs Aust) through his ability to beat defenders in minimal space. That required some vision and game awareness, which Naholo lacks at the moment.

taniwharugby

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Problem with that stereotype is outside of Jane in the professional era there hasn't been an AB wing with a stronger work rate than Joe Roks.
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not saying it is correct, but obviously Sivi and Rupeni dont help it, despite thier obvious upsides on offence.

kiwiinmelb

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You think? I'd say Vidiri - power and pace. 
Sivi was a very good playmaker and was often used as a first receiver to create opportunities for others (e.g. Weepu's try vs Aust) through his ability to beat defenders in minimal space. That required some vision and game awareness, which Naholo lacks at the moment.</blockquote>
 
Get what you mean about sivis distribution, but I see similarities in their footwork

taniwharugby

Naholo looks to have a bit more power

Frank

Didn't Naholo come in off his wing a few times looking for work?
He doesn't seem that lazy to me.

dogmeat

I haven't read entire thread as on phone and gave up about 3/4 way but: 
Naholo is an athlete not a rugby player

Conrad = headless chooks 
Shovelling the ball on without straightening the attack is something my coach (when I was tried to drill out of us. It's post Ma'a but someone still needs to take it to the line.

jegga

Sivi was pretty bloody good , he could play fullback too. I was at the second lions test in 2005 and he had a huge game , not far behind Richie for my motm .

MN5

In terms of pure power Vidiri would have it over the others. He ran over the top of Jonah once.

SabalomG

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Sivi was pretty bloody good , he could play fullback too. I was at the second lions test in 2005 and he had a huge game , not far behind Richie for my motm .
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was the second test the one where DC played the perfect game?

Canes4life

Yeah the second test was at the Cake Tin. That game was when Carter announced himself as the best first five on the planet in what was a completely dominant performance vs Wilkinson.

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Frank" data-cid="587054" data-time="1465714450">
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Didn't Naholo come in off his wing a few times looking for work?
He doesn't seem that lazy to me.
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defensively is where the likes of Rupeni and Sivi were perceived to be lazy, I recall plenty of gnashing about how slowly he would chase back alot of the time.
 
Hopefully Wayne Smith can sort Naholo's positioning as he came off his wing alot on d too...

MN5

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Yeah the second test was at the Cake Tin. That game was when Carter announced himself as the best first five on the planet.
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Up there with Jonahs 95 efforts as the most awesome of individual performances. Handed off that fake tan wearing cockhead twice in one movement if I recall. 
 
I bet he had nightmares about that in between sessions motorboating Charlotte Church.....

Stargazer

From All Blacks website: 

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All Blacks coach Steve Hansen said on Sunday the midfield was one of the harder areas to play in the side because the second five-eighths and centre were asked to do a lot of different types of defending. 
 That required trust, understanding and connection and the combination of Ryan Crotty and Malakai Fekitoa just needed time together and he felt it would get better and better. 
Concussion victim Charlie Ngatai would not be joining the team in Wellington. Hansen spoke to him on Sunday morning and he was still having issues so it was better for him to be out of the environment with no pressure. 
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 Hansen said he felt the selectors would look to keep the team settled at this stage as he saw little point in rehashing Saturday's game by having another rusty performance in Wellington next weekend. 
"We need to put two together. There might be one or two changes but I wouldn't think there'd be too many," he said.
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 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.allblacks.com/News/29306/time-the-key-for-all-blacks-midfield-hansen'>http://www.allblacks.com/News/29306/time-the-key-for-all-blacks-midfield-hansen</a>

ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="587062" data-time="1465715319">Sivi was pretty bloody good , he could play fullback too. I was at the second lions test in 2005 and he had a huge game , not far behind Richie for my motm .</blockquote>
 
In that era when Henry was playing 4 wingers - Sivi, Rok, Dougie and Rico - Sivi was the most played. He was certainly the most dangerous in that time of apparent riches on the wing. 
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ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="587086" data-time="1465718294">From All Blacks website: <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.allblacks.com/News/29306/time-the-key-for-all-blacks-midfield-hansen">http://www.allblacks.com/News/29306/time-the-key-for-all-blacks-midfield-hansen</a></blockquote>
 
So I guess we spend all week discussing who the "one or two" might be..... 
When is the team named? 
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The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wales