Super Rugby - The Future
-
@antipodean So NRL is basically same as rugby, have a salary cap?
But be honest I don't quite work out how drafts work, I genuinely thought it worked out that all new players went into it, and that's where you played. But you can still say no thanks and go where you want anyway?@Dan54 said in Super Rugby - The Future:
So NRL is basically same as rugby, have a salary cap?
But be honest I don't quite work out how drafts work, I genuinely thought it worked out that all new players went into it, and that's where you played. But you can still say no thanks and go where you want anyway?The SR salary cap is only for the SR components of a players pay.
Does not account for the Wobs/ABs components of their pay.
So not a cap that will have much affect on the competitive balance of SR rugby.
More to stop SR clubs blowing out their player pay expenses.The NRL salary cap is very strict.
It's a reason they dont need a draft, because star players with successful teams are forced to move clubs to get a pay rise.
The Melbourne storm were stripped of two premierships because the rorted the cap. -
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
If we want to look at the NZ situation and how you could increase the number of teams, I would be comparing the number of senior male players in each franchise/PU not the entire population.
I look at it the opposite way.
If there are not so many senior (or any) players per pop in one area than there are in another.
Then development programs should be put in place to make sure that the player per pop figure should equalise thru the regions.The same should be done with marketing for fans.
Aim to get the proportions per pop the same in every region.The AFL does this in Australia.
They pour money into junior development in areas that have a small aus football presence.
Not so much in areas where they are already dominant.@mohikamo said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
If we want to look at the NZ situation and how you could increase the number of teams, I would be comparing the number of senior male players in each franchise/PU not the entire population.
I look at it the opposite way.
If there are not so many senior (or any) players per pop in one area than there are in another.
Then development programs should be put in place to make sure that the player per pop figure should equalise thru the regions.The same should be done with marketing for fans.
Aim to get the proportions per pop the same in every region.The AFL does this in Australia.
They pour money into junior development in areas that have a small aus football presence.
Not so much in areas where they are already dominant.Agree AFL are certainly the flagship for development of juniors in Aus that I ever saw while living there. They seemed to just have it sorted really well. I actually got a great nephew who is coming through systems now, his father actually looked at rugby, but the local club had no development as such. While not something I had ever thought about, as I'm old and think kids should just play for fun, not a career, I saw why he chose AFL. Though talking to is dad, I was under the impression he could align with Brisbane Lions and didn't need to go into draft or anything, but never really discussed it. But they certainly have great pathways and support for their junior development in Aus compared to either Rugby or NRL from what I saw.
NRL did try for a draft, but courts threw it out etc, and as you say they don't have top ups for test players as they don't have an international calender that anyone care or notices. As I said early drafts don't work in sports that have strong alternative comps anyway.
But all good as I said I buggered if I know what answer is, but suspect RA will over next few years make sure all recourses will go to NSA and Brumbies to bring them up. Reds don't need it, they seem well run anyway. -
@Old-Alleynians said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Nzsil has a 50 pc stake in the Hurricanes now - the shareholders of Nzsil have been disclosed.
but not the amount of capital they have committed
and whether NZR gets their bail out money back
details, like $ and senseNo but no one else provides that either.
-
@Old-Alleynians said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Sol Campbell turned down Barcelona for Arsenal...
couple of things...not saying there arent any...but i dont think there are enough to worry about
and that example isnt really answering the question because he had a local option on the table....he wasnt lost to football, we'd have had to see him playing rugby in london for the comparion to work
i find the idea of 19-24 year olds being so adverse to living in a different city or country they would pass up a professional rugby contract wild, i dont know a single person that didn;t leave dunners after Uni at least for a few years somewhere else
I was agreeing with you - I think that young players will consider any location if it enhances their prospects irrespective of if it is North London or Barcelona in the example that I used.
-
i find the idea of 19-24 year olds being so adverse to living in a different city or country they would pass up a professional rugby contract wild, i dont know a single person that didn;t leave dunners after Uni at least for a few years somewhere else
I was agreeing with you - I think that young players will consider any location if it enhances their prospects irrespective of if it is North London or Barcelona in the example that I used.
@Old-Alleynians ok, sorry if i misunderstood, your example was ahout someone NOT going overseas and staying in their home country
-
@Old-Alleynians ok, sorry if i misunderstood, your example was ahout someone NOT going overseas and staying in their home country
I was about to my mind a player picking a crap location over a great one because of perceived better development by doing so.
-
I was about to my mind a player picking a crap location over a great one because of perceived better development by doing so.
@Old-Alleynians im with ya now
-
Nah yeah we can't let the Aussies straight through to the business end we'll just end up with uncompetitive games
-
Nah yeah we can't let the Aussies straight through to the business end we'll just end up with uncompetitive games
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Nah yeah we can't let the Aussies straight through to the business end we'll just end up with uncompetitive games
The only way to improve competition is depower the NZ franchises. A new comp with the 4 Aussie teams (3 would be better) and 10 or so NZ PU teams
