Super Rugby - The Future
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Lets not forget what utter twats the ARU has been for years - NZ don't owe them a thing, and its certainly not our responsibility to grow/save the game in Australia by sending our players over there
@Mattasaurus might not be our responsibility but it is still important Aus improve, thier rapid decline coincided with thr SA teams exit.
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@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies, they can sort out their own teams. Go down to three to have three good teams instead 1 and four average.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
They need to lift, not us need to go down to their level by spreading our talent (which is thinning) even further
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Only 14 games with 3 bye rounds. How did they sign a broadcast deal? No other competition in the world is so determined on hand-braking itself by minimizing content and disillusioning supporters it seems.
I hate these mid season bye weeks. What they do is it takes away so much of the momentum out of the season as a viewer.
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@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
They need to lift, not us need to go down to their level by spreading our talent (which is thinning) even further
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
They need to lift, not us need to go down to their level by spreading our talent (which is thinning) even further
We also lose talent because there's only 5 professional teams and limited opportunities for players.
The Hurricanes have 2nd and 3rd choice options who are as good or better than their 1st choice, like Harry Godfrey for example who could be starting at 10 and playing 80 minutes every week for an Australian side right now.
Isn't it better for our talent - ultimately to be playing in the SRP competition, which is aiming to become the strongest in the world, rather than the alternative of going to play in Japan or Europe?
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No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
If we are going to do that, I’d rather have another couple of NZ super rugby teams.
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact I would welcome both of those things, we should be doing everything we can to ensure the future of the professional game in the Australasia/Pacific region, rather than caring exclusively about what's best for All Blacks.
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This comp is doomed
We've had our "isn't super rugby so great and even this year" rounds, and now the good teams are starting to put the foot down, and the shit teams (most of the comp) are falling away
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@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
They need to lift, not us need to go down to their level by spreading our talent (which is thinning) even further
We also lose talent because there's only 5 professional teams and limited opportunities for players.
The Hurricanes have 2nd and 3rd choice options who are as good or better than their 1st choice, like Harry Godfrey for example who could be starting at 10 and playing 80 minutes every week for an Australian side right now.
Isn't it better for our talent - ultimately to be playing in the SRP competition, which is aiming to become the strongest in the world, rather than the alternative of going to play in Japan or Europe?
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Force:
@Machpants said in Blues v Force:
@ruggabee said in Blues v Force:
How can anyone watch that display and still be opposed to open eligibility & salary cap across SRP?
Easy. I don't want the All Blacks being part of teams that play like that. Winning and playing well breeds winning and playing well
Fuck the aussies,
I really don't think that's an option - we kind of need their sporting market and Japan to survive going forward...
They need to lift, not us need to go down to their level by spreading our talent (which is thinning) even further
We also lose talent because there's only 5 professional teams and limited opportunities for players.
The Hurricanes have 2nd and 3rd choice options who are as good or better than their 1st choice, like Harry Godfrey for example who could be starting at 10 and playing 80 minutes every week for an Australian side right now.
Isn't it better for our talent - ultimately to be playing in the SRP competition, which is aiming to become the strongest in the world, rather than the alternative of going to play in Japan or Europe?
The only way that works for NZ is for us to own the competition, much like they own the NRL.
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@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact I would welcome both of those things, we should be doing everything we can to ensure the future of the professional game in the Australasia/Pacific region, rather than caring exclusively about what's best for All Blacks.
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact I would welcome both of those things, we should be doing everything we can to ensure the future of the professional game in the Australasia/Pacific region, rather than caring exclusively about what's best for All Blacks.
You want less depth in NZ and Kiwis playing for Australia?
That weakens the All Blacks, makes the brand less valuable and results in the opposite of what you say you want.
To safeguard Rugby in this neck of the woods we can’t have all our eggs in the Aussie basket. Japan, the island nations and Australia all need to grow (with their own players).
At least one less Aussie team, at least one Japanese team (I’d prefer two of each there) and keep the progress of the Drua and Pasifika.
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I think tonight's result and Hurricanes against the Rebels illustrates everything that is wrong with this competition, every home fixture against MP/Drua/Rebels/Force becomes a targeted game to boost the confidence and provide exposure for some 3rd string guys and is nothing but a frantic race to see how many tries you can run in before the clock goes red. As much as I personally find these high scoring games entertaining it doesn't do much for the credibility of SRP, predictablility is the enemy & before tonight's game I predicted the Chiefs might crack 70 points against Moana and they finished a single missed conversion by McKenzie from getting there.
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@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact I would welcome both of those things, we should be doing everything we can to ensure the future of the professional game in the Australasia/Pacific region, rather than caring exclusively about what's best for All Blacks.
You want less depth in NZ and Kiwis playing for Australia?
That weakens the All Blacks, makes the brand less valuable and results in the opposite of what you say you want.
To safeguard Rugby in this neck of the woods we can’t have all our eggs in the Aussie basket. Japan, the island nations and Australia all need to grow (with their own players).
At least one less Aussie team, at least one Japanese team (I’d prefer two of each there) and keep the progress of the Drua and Pasifika.
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact I would welcome both of those things, we should be doing everything we can to ensure the future of the professional game in the Australasia/Pacific region, rather than caring exclusively about what's best for All Blacks.
You want less depth in NZ and Kiwis playing for Australia?
That weakens the All Blacks, makes the brand less valuable and results in the opposite of what you say you want.
To safeguard Rugby in this neck of the woods we can’t have all our eggs in the Aussie basket. Japan, the island nations and Australia all need to grow (with their own players).
At least one less Aussie team, at least one Japanese team (I’d prefer two of each there) and keep the progress of the Drua and Pasifika.
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kirwan said in Super Rugby 2024:
No, that’s just a quick way to have our players turning out for Oz. And at the same time diluting our depth.
I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact I would welcome both of those things, we should be doing everything we can to ensure the future of the professional game in the Australasia/Pacific region, rather than caring exclusively about what's best for All Blacks.
You want less depth in NZ and Kiwis playing for Australia?
That weakens the All Blacks, makes the brand less valuable and results in the opposite of what you say you want.
To safeguard Rugby in this neck of the woods we can’t have all our eggs in the Aussie basket. Japan, the island nations and Australia all need to grow (with their own players).
At least one less Aussie team, at least one Japanese team (I’d prefer two of each there) and keep the progress of the Drua and Pasifika.
Aust need to sort themselves out. The obvious way to do this is to reduce the number of teams. If NZ step into help ARU won't do this (reduce the number of teams) so it will forever reduce our playing numbers
If NZ helps anyone it shouldn't ever be Aust. They need to learn how to stand on their own feet. But what about MP. They need help. Starting with a decent head coach. Not coaches who have been shown to be not really up to it. Maybe the NZR could help financially to encourage a top coach to take over as one example.
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The worst thing about the competition structure atm is the 8 team playoff. When there are only 12 teams taking part, the comp is always cooked from the get go. Just make it top four and be done with it. This would then mean there is always more to lose on every game so to speak so when the stronger teams come up against the weaker teams they are less likely to rest and rotate key players.
Other alternative is have a top 6 and no byes during the round robin. Top two teams get a week off at the quarter final stage while teams 3-6 battle it out for a semi spot. Top 8 to me is just ridiculous.
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@Canes4life i always like the top five structure with a reward of a week off for 1st place
@Kirwan whatever way it's spun I just don't think a top 8 does this competition any favours.
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). The best compromise would be to use the McIntyre final eight system where finishing in the top 4 still has an advantage in the event of an early upset.