Super Rugby - The Future
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In an article today Cameron George is saying that an NRL team has about 60 players under contract to cover the top team and reserve grade. If we use that as a guide for any SR franchise (including a Development team) that plays weekly in an extended season that will require a substantial increase in funds just to cover player salaries.
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There are contracts and then there are contracts
An NRL side has 30 players in it, and the total cap is about $11m
"reserve grade" is a Q-Cup or NSW-Cup team. They have salary caps of about $400k. NRL team "top 30" players will play for their Q-Cup side when not required for NRL duty (ie up here Jake Clifford is a Cowboys player playing every week for the Northern Pride) and will be outside that cap. A few clubs have more than one "reserve grade" side, like the Cowboys who have the Pride and Mackay, and those players aren't contracted to the NRL side.
The Warriors may be doing it as one "club" and that's what he is talking about, but those reserve grade sides are on dogshit money and will have to work as well.
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There are contracts and then there are contracts
An NRL side has 30 players in it, and the total cap is about $11m
"reserve grade" is a Q-Cup or NSW-Cup team. They have salary caps of about $400k. NRL team "top 30" players will play for their Q-Cup side when not required for NRL duty (ie up here Jake Clifford is a Cowboys player playing every week for the Northern Pride) and will be outside that cap. A few clubs have more than one "reserve grade" side, like the Cowboys who have the Pride and Mackay, and those players aren't contracted to the NRL side.
The Warriors may be doing it as one "club" and that's what he is talking about, but those reserve grade sides are on dogshit money and will have to work as well.
@mariner4life The difference is that rugby players have more options to earn decent money overseas whereas RL players have the NRL or Super League.
We can argue the totals but the salary cap would still need to increase and the player salaries be competitive to keep the next tier in NZ/Aust to play in such a competition.
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i also hope we're looking at how were going too sell this, to grow the market for it, so make make the structure tighter....but also grow the income, not giving up and saying this is all the money/fans we're going to get
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if they aren't good enough to make a Super Team, especially if we get a couple more, who is going to pay them?
The next question is, are the current salaries being paid in some countries sustainable?
NRL and AFL seem to make plenty of money. Top 14 in France has a big TV deal, but is it profitable? English Premiership is completely fucked. How about the URC? Wales seems to be struggling, likewise some SA teams. Japan Leagues are dependent on corporate money.
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i think, for the most part, clubs pay way too much for rugby players, when it's the tests that make the money.
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i think, for the most part, clubs pay way too much for rugby players, when it's the tests that make the money.
@mariner4life although given the toll on the body, elite rugby players should be paid more.
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@mariner4life although given the toll on the body, elite rugby players should be paid more.
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@mariner4life although given the toll on the body, elite rugby players should be paid more.
You get paid what the market says you're worth. To get more they need to generate more money
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@mariner4life although given the toll on the body, elite rugby players should be paid more.
You get paid what the market says you're worth. To get more they need to generate more money
@mariner4life not arguing that, just that they should get more, but eyeballs matter.
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As expected down to 11 teams, gonna be awesome having a team sitting out each week due to the odd number of sides, gee I can't wait for an even shorter & more watered-down competition next year with less teams and more byes for everyone...
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As expected down to 11 teams, gonna be awesome having a team sitting out each week due to the odd number of sides, gee I can't wait for an even shorter & more watered-down competition next year with less teams and more byes for everyone...
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby - The Future:
As expected down to 11 teams, gonna be awesome having a team sitting out each week due to the odd number of sides, gee I can't wait for an even shorter & more watered-down competition next year with less teams and more byes for everyone...
If it makes Aust team more competitive it will be a good thing
NZ should now help MP too. Maybe by allowing say 5-6 PLAYERS WHO WILL STILL EB ELIGIBLE FOR THE ABS.
Then look at adding one extra team as 12 seems a good number. For 6 making the finals
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what were the rules for MP and the AB's? we cant pick AB's if they play for MP?
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@ruggabee said in Super Rugby - The Future:
As expected down to 11 teams, gonna be awesome having a team sitting out each week due to the odd number of sides, gee I can't wait for an even shorter & more watered-down competition next year with less teams and more byes for everyone...
If it makes Aust team more competitive it will be a good thing
NZ should now help MP too. Maybe by allowing say 5-6 PLAYERS WHO WILL STILL EB ELIGIBLE FOR THE ABS.
Then look at adding one extra team as 12 seems a good number. For 6 making the finals
@Winger said in Super Rugby - The Future:
NZ should now help MP too. Maybe by allowing say 5-6 PLAYERS WHO WILL STILL EB ELIGIBLE FOR THE ABS.
That defeats the stated purpose of the team. If NZR were serious they'd change the name and give North Harbour/ Northland the franchise.
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@ploughboy said in Super Rugby - The Future:
opps should muti task
moana pasifika should relocate to melborneDo you really think Melbourne will support MP when they can't even get behind their own team?
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@ploughboy said in Super Rugby - The Future:
opps should muti task
moana pasifika should relocate to melborneDo you really think Melbourne will support MP when they can't even get behind their own team?
@canefan the point was it never REALLY was their own team...little too no connection to the local rugby scene above age grade, from day one they tried to buy people in, the suburbs are full of kiwi and PI expats...would take a really deliberate campaign including signing local guys, given them a shot....would still be a huge uphill slog but MP are currently 11th and all but homeless....so im not sure it would be worse
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you have to be realistic though
The Storm are 25 years old, have won 6 Grand Finals, lost a few more, and are a perennial top 4 side, and they average 20k at home. Now, that's twice what the Rebels pull, i get that, but it's still not huge.
The Melbourne A-League clubs don't pull much more than the Rebels.
Just because you will get 80k to an AFL regular season game in Melbourne does not mean there is a huge untapped market just waiting there.
The Rebels will never pull enough support in Melbourne to be sustainable, and the ARU doesn't make enough to subsidise the Club enough to pay the kind of salaries they throw around.
