Super Rugby - The Future
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
I did a rough count last season and Auckland & Canterbury had around 30 places taken up by SR players. Auckland then used most of the remainaing places to secure age group/7's players Spencer/Tangitau/Clark etc
The system is completely broken and has been for a long time
Provincial unions have effectively blocked the pathway for their players to make their representative teams, by ensuring professional players get a pay top up for the back end of the year?
I don't think the PU's have a choice though.
Many people still think of the the old NPC system.. club rugby happened first and then the NPC squad was picked on club form.
Now NPC players sign multi year contracts and when they succeed, they play little or no club rugby
I can think of ways to change the competition to fix that but there's nothing an individual union can do
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@BorderJB said in Super Rugby - The Future:
allocated days for different levels of rugby.
I like this idea in principle, it's like NFL - the overwhelming majority of games are:
Friday - School
Saturday - NCAA
Sunday - NFLYou could have
Friday night NPC (5, 7pm)
Saturday afternoon Club (2pm)
Saturday late afternoon/evening Super (4, 6, 8pm kickoffs)
Sunday afternoon NPC (2pm)
Sunday late afternoon Super (4, 6)That gets you 3 NPC slots a weekend, and 5 Super slots. If there aren't that many Super games needed, add NPC
Or you restrict NPC TV time and just focus on Super for Friday/Saturday nights and late afternoon Saturday and afternoon Sunday. That's 5 slots again.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@BorderJB said in Super Rugby - The Future:
allocated days for different levels of rugby.
I like this idea in principle, it's like NFL - the overwhelming majority of games are:
Friday - School
Saturday - NCAA
Sunday - NFLYou could have
Friday night NPC (5, 7pm)
Saturday afternoon Club (2pm)
Saturday late afternoon/evening Super (4, 6, 8pm kickoffs)
Sunday afternoon NPC (2pm)
Sunday late afternoon Super (4, 6)That gets you 3 NPC slots a weekend, and 5 Super slots. If there aren't that many Super games needed, add NPC
Or you restrict NPC TV time and just focus on Super for Friday/Saturday nights and late afternoon Saturday and afternoon Sunday. That's 5 slots again.
I think that Friday 5pm and Saturday 4/6pm game should be for reserve Super and maybe U20s.
I think the PU rugby should be focused on getting crowds and local - so games against neighbor unions and one team from a regional round robin goes to finals.
Coverage is via web and gets shown on a new Heartland show with summaries of all of the games. That still gets the Amateurs on TV and there is likely some TV market for the game of the round. I’m not sure it should get too much investment though - that’s the current problem, money needs to go to the bottom not PU high performance
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@BorderJB said in Super Rugby - The Future:
allocated days for different levels of rugby.
I like this idea in principle, it's like NFL - the overwhelming majority of games are:
Friday - School
Saturday - NCAA
Sunday - NFLYou could have
Friday night NPC (5, 7pm)
Saturday afternoon Club (2pm)
Saturday late afternoon/evening Super (4, 6, 8pm kickoffs)
Sunday afternoon NPC (2pm)
Sunday late afternoon Super (4, 6)That gets you 3 NPC slots a weekend, and 5 Super slots. If there aren't that many Super games needed, add NPC
Or you restrict NPC TV time and just focus on Super for Friday/Saturday nights and late afternoon Saturday and afternoon Sunday. That's 5 slots again.
I think that Friday 5pm and Saturday 4/6pm game should be for reserve Super and maybe U20s.
I think the PU rugby should be focused on getting crowds and local - so games against neighbor unions and one team from a regional round robin goes to finals.
Coverage is via web and gets shown on a new Heartland show with summaries of all of the games. That still gets the Amateurs on TV and there is likely some TV market for the game of the round. I’m not sure it should get too much investment though - that’s the current problem, money needs to go to the bottom not PU high performance
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@gt12 I genuinely don't know how much NPC should go on TV. Some regular structure would be nice
@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@gt12 I genuinely don't know how much NPC should go on TV. Some regular structure would be nice
I like the idea of city's hosting rounds. Wellington hosts a round, two games at the stadium, three at Upper Hutt, two at Jerry Collins stadium. Auckland plays games at its facilities around the city. That way some form of broadcast can be managed
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@gt12 I genuinely don't know how much NPC should go on TV. Some regular structure would be nice
@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@gt12 I genuinely don't know how much NPC should go on TV. Some regular structure would be nice
I think you are right that it would be better to have it at a set time, where people can hopefully (1) go to the clubroom to watch the professional rugby afterwards and (2) get home to watch the professional rugby.
For that reason, I reckon it needs to be local and very grassroots to really emphasize the club aspect and social impact. That's not to say that clubs can
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The rumour going around in Australia is 16 rd comp starting a week earlier.
Which would mean 16 games in the regular season each team would play 6 teams twice.
A 6 team play off series top 2 have a week off 3 to 6 play to meet the top 2 teams in the semi Finals.
That format is the preferred option of the SR commission apparantly. -
The rumour going around in Australia is 16 rd comp starting a week earlier.
Which would mean 16 games in the regular season each team would play 6 teams twice.
A 6 team play off series top 2 have a week off 3 to 6 play to meet the top 2 teams in the semi Finals.
That format is the preferred option of the SR commission apparantly.@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
The rumour going around in Australia is 16 rd comp starting a week earlier.
Which would mean 16 games in the regular season each team would play 6 teams twice.
A 6 team play off series top 2 have a week off 3 to 6 play to meet the top 2 teams in the semi Finals.
That format is the preferred option of the SR commission apparantly.That's great. A top 8 this year was completely unnecessary.
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The rumour going around in Australia is 16 rd comp starting a week earlier.
Which would mean 16 games in the regular season each team would play 6 teams twice.
A 6 team play off series top 2 have a week off 3 to 6 play to meet the top 2 teams in the semi Finals.
That format is the preferred option of the SR commission apparantly. -
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
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Predictably Australian rugby social media is packed with "we can't win so we have to leave" posts. Oh and of course "we got dudded by the biased kiwi ref".
Australian rugby fans (as a collective, not individuals) are such fucking cats. It's almost unaustralian to want to quit because it's too hard (I'm talking sport, not work).
Of course they are followed by fantasy posts about national club competitions. I assume populated by semi-pro players as it would be the only way to keep the lights on. Enjoy your Wallaby tours to Spain and Germany.
Good luck getting all the ex-pat kiwis propping up your club comps to switch to supporting Eastwood over the Blues too.
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
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@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
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The rumour going around in Australia is 16 rd comp starting a week earlier.
Which would mean 16 games in the regular season each team would play 6 teams twice.
A 6 team play off series top 2 have a week off 3 to 6 play to meet the top 2 teams in the semi Finals.
That format is the preferred option of the SR commission apparantly.@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
The rumour going around in Australia is 16 rd comp starting a week earlier.
Which would mean 16 games in the regular season each team would play 6 teams twice.@Chris that doesn't add up, 16 rounds comes to 14 games with only 11 teams, as 1 team has to sit out each round, and then you have the 3 current bye rounds included to that...
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
If you have more than an 11 week regular season you have to have multiple byes with an 11 team comp in order for teams to play the same number of games.
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
If you have more than an 11 week regular season you have to have multiple byes with an 11 team comp in order for teams to play the same number of games.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
If you have more than an 11 week regular season you have to have multiple byes with an 11 team comp in order for teams to play the same number of games.
Not if they do home and away, as it should be. To actually make a decent length comp. Play through the internationals, they do it in NH, great leveler for the over powerful teams. Or pause, as I think the premiership did this year
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
If you have more than an 11 week regular season you have to have multiple byes with an 11 team comp in order for teams to play the same number of games.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Chris so is that an 18 round regular season if you factor in 2 byes?
It would have to be to make it work, not locked in the preferred version so I hear probably will end up being tweaked maybe to 5 teams played twice to pull back the weeks they can fit in.
They are keen to start the comp a week earlier than normal.Why do you need byes with 11 teams, fuck that. Not required, rotate if required
The byes aren't in addition to the forced bye.
With an 11 team league every team with have at least one bye every 11 weeks.
That's enough
If you have more than an 11 week regular season you have to have multiple byes with an 11 team comp in order for teams to play the same number of games.
and that's why I have a real gripe with the Rebels getting dissolved by moronic ARU, 1 step forwards - 2 steps back...
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i thought there had been some very strong rumours going around that we would see the Jag's back if the rebels folded, i take it that was all hot air?
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i thought there had been some very strong rumours going around that we would see the Jag's back if the rebels folded, i take it that was all hot air?
2026 was the rumour. The team has to be recreated
