All Blacks vs England 2

antipodean

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.

He had a fucking good game considering what he was given. Couple of hard carries, some good defence as well.

Right before he got substituted he had two men outside him in space and didnt give the pass. A few minutes later DMac had a similar option, draw and pass with BB setting up Telea for try. Not saying that he gets dropped, but setting up his outsides and passing is his Achilles heal. Needs to be better at it. Coaches need to work on him.

Rewatch it. DMac was covered and also in the way preventing the pass to Jordie.

nostrildamus

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

So one series down and all the old problems are still apparent:

An inability to exit.

Aimless, uncontested kicking.

No way around the rush defence.

Our own defence is porous on the edges.

We played with very little prep time with an injured lock (PT) and prop (EdG) and winger (probably) and 2 or 3 rusty players (Savea and BB-although BB didn't look rusty in test 2 at all), some newbies, and still won both games, found clear weaknesses to improve, have a better idea of NH standard, and don't have many new injuries (TP and ?)
So that is good, in my book. They now though need to show improved cohesion, selection, organization, consistency, leadership, strategy and skills. So plenty to work on.

BerniesCorner

Ratima, Roigard, Viljoen
Good options

nostrildamus

Is Jordan back soon enough? Caleb? Who else would you bring in if they aren't ready?

Chris

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris That's the forecast according to the BBC for next Saturday.

Surprised it's not going to be warmer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5391811

Yeah I thought it might be hotter from what I remember being there a couple of years ago.

oh the humidity!

Yeah I know about humidity where I live.

chimoaus

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Is Jordan back soon enough? Caleb? Who else would you bring in if they aren't ready?

Roigard for Christie.

chimoaus

Probably be better with just one leg.

mariner4life

@Chris said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris That's the forecast according to the BBC for next Saturday.

Surprised it's not going to be warmer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5391811

Yeah I thought it might be hotter from what I remember being there a couple of years ago.

oh the humidity!

Yeah I know about humidity where I live.

Lol

Machpants

@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Is Jordan back soon enough? Caleb? Who else would you bring in if they aren't ready?

Roigard for Christie.

Not until Northern tour

mencey

@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Let's hear no more BS about Beauden Barrett being finished. He won that game.

Ratima looked good.

Totally agree. What makes a team in the long run is tough tests like this. England are a very good side.

BB was fantastic tonight as was Ratima when he came on for his" FIRST " test. Outstanding

Victor Meldrew

@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Not bad for 3 weeks together really.

Not really buying that. Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.

But credit to Robertson for going back to last year's dual playmaker tactics to get the win.

chimoaus

Roigard and Ratima have both instantly looked class which shows you what we have been putting up with behind A Smith for years.

MN5

Sotutu didn’t get selected because of his lack of ability on “both” sides of the ball….

So goodness knows how Telea stays in based on this…..some appalling defensive work from him.

mencey

@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Ratima and Roigard. The double Rs will serve us well going forward.

lets hope so.

DaGrubster

@Chris

SoCal in summer, I’m surprised it’s not hotter.

It’s also a fucking awesome place to go. Love it there

booboo

BTW struggled to find all that much to whinge about the officiating.

So maybe Nick wasn't all bad.

I reserve the right to whinge about a couple of calls, but generally they were ok.

Dodge

Gutted, good first XV but our bench is weak and our accuracy is terrible when in good positions at the moment and it’s cost us in both tests. We desperately need to find a tight head from somewhere.

All Blacks did what they do, scrum half change was critical, Barret was class. Opportunity missed but I’m looking forward to the November test.

BerniesCorner

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Not bad for 3 weeks together really.

Not really buying that. Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.

But credit to Robertson for going back to last year's dual playmaker tactics to get the win.

Our counter rucking was pretty good.

MadGav

@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

The very poor pattern of out the back to a solo forward hitting it up might work in Super Rugby but it has no place in test rugby.

England keep it close to the ruck running off nine or forward to forward. You don’t see them passing well behind gainline for a league style hit up.

And yet that’s what created a lot of our chances
When we passed it to a back that is….

Kirwan

@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Gutted, good first XV but our bench is weak and our accuracy is terrible when in good positions at the moment and it’s cost us in both tests. We desperately need to find a tight head from somewhere.

All Blacks did what they do, scrum half change was critical, Barret was class. Opportunity missed but I’m looking forward to the November test.

England are a good team, first 60 they were the better team.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs England 2