All Blacks vs England 2
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Hotham may turn out to be a very good player for the ABs but what worries me about his selection at this point is how long it took him to look like he belonged at Super Level. Up to that point I was wondering if the Saders got themselves a dud. For that reason I would have waited a bit longer to pick him to make sure his good form wasn't a fluke.
On the other hand Funaki is probably in the same boat and Fakatava hasn't looked like an AB for a while.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Hotham may turn out to be a very good player for the ABs but what worries me about his selection at this point is how long it took him to look like he belonged at Super Level. Up to that point I was wondering if the Saders got themselves a dud. For that reason I would have waited a bit longer to pick him to make sure his good form wasn't a fluke.
On the other hand Funaki is probably in the same boat and Fakatava hasn't looked like an AB for a while.
I think Hatham may of struggled with Crusaders for most of year because of what was in front of him? Basically a pack that looked almost NPC level at best for a good part of season. They just seemed to struggle to put a decent pack on field for much of season.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure if you understand the idea of speaking for a sport's body.
Ironing out the creases there.
Yep probably mate, as I said ,really didn't think I needed to almost draw pictures. Hey but no probs, my bad, I keep assuming some things are fairly clear cut to most people, and one or 2 need things a bit simpler.
Only a true grass roots rugby fan would understand
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure if you understand the idea of speaking for a sport's body.
Ironing out the creases there.
Yep probably mate, as I said ,really didn't think I needed to almost draw pictures. Hey but no probs, my bad, I keep assuming some things are fairly clear cut to most people, and one or 2 need things a bit simpler.
Only a true grass roots rugby fan would understand
I must admit you lost me Bones, perhaps I need the pictures? What has grassroots got to do with a NZR person speaking on up and coming players?
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure if you understand the idea of speaking for a sport's body.
Ironing out the creases there.
Yep probably mate, as I said ,really didn't think I needed to almost draw pictures. Hey but no probs, my bad, I keep assuming some things are fairly clear cut to most people, and one or 2 need things a bit simpler.
Only a true grass roots rugby fan would understand
I must admit you lost me Bones, perhaps I need the pictures? What has grassroots got to do with a NZR person speaking on up and coming players?
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No offence meant to the young man, but i fucken hate coaches picking pet young players. it's the ABs not a development squad, pick people on merit and if you want to bring a kid you like to training - fine, do that but don't pick him. you are just blowing smoke up his arse and disappointing the more deserving players who are more likely to go overseas and erode our depth.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No offence meant to the young man, but i fucken hate coaches picking pet young players. it's the ABs not a development squad, pick people on merit and if you want to bring a kid you like to training - fine, do that but don't pick him. you are just blowing smoke up his arse and disappointing the more deserving players who are more likely to go overseas and erode our depth.
Agree. Who has the greater merit?
Honestly, is it that clear cut? It's not as of the bypassed Aaron Smith.
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@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
But back to rugby. Robertson is the All Black coach now, and when 50/50 calls all seem to be going to journeymen Crusaders it's worthy of comment (Bell, Blackadder, Hotham, Havilli). ABs are for players ready now, not project players or improving the depth/development of the struggling Crusaders.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
But back to rugby. Robertson is the All Black coach now, and when 50/50 calls all seem to be going to journeymen Crusaders it's worthy of comment (Bell, Blackadder, Hotham, Havilli). ABs are for players ready now, not project players or improving the depth/development of the struggling Crusaders.
@Kirwan although if he selected Funaki (IMO regardless if it is Hotham, Roe, Viljoen etc) that 3rd spot is, for all intents and purposes right now a 'project' player with one eye firmly on the future (possibly why they also went past Fakatava) given they are technically 5th right now, just injuries see them sitting as the 3rd option, and if we find ourselves in the position of having to play that '5th' halfback, I honestly dont see it mattering which one it happens to be.
But for injury to Roigard, TJ likely wouldnt have even made the squad as he'd have had less time in the saddle for the 'canes.
Injuries have forced thier hand to look at players earlier than they probably hoped.
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@Machpants
Yeah, earlier the better.
Quicker pass than Christie and Perenara, total nightmare to defend against around the fringes, and massive and accurate boot.@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants
Yeah, earlier the better.
Quicker pass than Christie and Perenara, total nightmare to defend against around the fringes, and massive and accurate boot.Best player in Super by a distance before he was injured. If he's back to full fitness he's a lock for the 9 jersey.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants
Yeah, earlier the better.
Quicker pass than Christie and Perenara, total nightmare to defend against around the fringes, and massive and accurate boot.Best player in Super by a distance before he was injured. If he's back to full fitness he's a lock for the 9 jersey.
Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
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@chchfanatic only thing I remember about Hotlham was getting pushed of like a little school boy, and ended up over the touch line by Funaki, think he did same to McLeod as well.
@george33 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chchfanatic only thing I remember about Hotlham was getting pushed of like a little school boy, and ended up over the touch line by Funaki, think he did same to McLeod as well.
What makes you think you can comment on his play this year then?
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@Kirwan although if he selected Funaki (IMO regardless if it is Hotham, Roe, Viljoen etc) that 3rd spot is, for all intents and purposes right now a 'project' player with one eye firmly on the future (possibly why they also went past Fakatava) given they are technically 5th right now, just injuries see them sitting as the 3rd option, and if we find ourselves in the position of having to play that '5th' halfback, I honestly dont see it mattering which one it happens to be.
But for injury to Roigard, TJ likely wouldnt have even made the squad as he'd have had less time in the saddle for the 'canes.
Injuries have forced thier hand to look at players earlier than they probably hoped.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan although if he selected Funaki (IMO regardless if it is Hotham, Roe, Viljoen etc) that 3rd spot is, for all intents and purposes right now a 'project' player with one eye firmly on the future (possibly why they also went past Fakatava) given they are technically 5th right now, just injuries see them sitting as the 3rd option, and if we find ourselves in the position of having to play that '5th' halfback, I honestly dont see it mattering which one it happens to be.
But for injury to Roigard, TJ likely wouldnt have even made the squad as he'd have had less time in the saddle for the 'canes.
Injuries have forced thier hand to look at players earlier than they probably hoped.
For a call in player, Fakatava is probably the best choice purely as he has previous Test experience. If Christie goes down in the warmup do we really want Ratima and Hotham as the only two options?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan although if he selected Funaki (IMO regardless if it is Hotham, Roe, Viljoen etc) that 3rd spot is, for all intents and purposes right now a 'project' player with one eye firmly on the future (possibly why they also went past Fakatava) given they are technically 5th right now, just injuries see them sitting as the 3rd option, and if we find ourselves in the position of having to play that '5th' halfback, I honestly dont see it mattering which one it happens to be.
But for injury to Roigard, TJ likely wouldnt have even made the squad as he'd have had less time in the saddle for the 'canes.
Injuries have forced thier hand to look at players earlier than they probably hoped.
For a call in player, Fakatava is probably the best choice purely as he has previous Test experience. If Christie goes down in the warmup do we really want Ratima and Hotham as the only two options?
@Kirwan the 2 test veteran? Probably just shows how much he has fallen away more than anything.
As above, if we get to that point, I dont think it matters who comes off the bench or has to start, it'll be sink or swim time for whoever it is.
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Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
Roigard played a bit at 1st 5 at school, which shows with his kicking ability.
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Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
as if i didn't have enough of a crush on Roigard already ....
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan although if he selected Funaki (IMO regardless if it is Hotham, Roe, Viljoen etc) that 3rd spot is, for all intents and purposes right now a 'project' player with one eye firmly on the future (possibly why they also went past Fakatava) given they are technically 5th right now, just injuries see them sitting as the 3rd option, and if we find ourselves in the position of having to play that '5th' halfback, I honestly dont see it mattering which one it happens to be.
But for injury to Roigard, TJ likely wouldnt have even made the squad as he'd have had less time in the saddle for the 'canes.
Injuries have forced thier hand to look at players earlier than they probably hoped.
For a call in player, Fakatava is probably the best choice purely as he has previous Test experience. If Christie goes down in the warmup do we really want Ratima and Hotham as the only two options?
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan although if he selected Funaki (IMO regardless if it is Hotham, Roe, Viljoen etc) that 3rd spot is, for all intents and purposes right now a 'project' player with one eye firmly on the future (possibly why they also went past Fakatava) given they are technically 5th right now, just injuries see them sitting as the 3rd option, and if we find ourselves in the position of having to play that '5th' halfback, I honestly dont see it mattering which one it happens to be.
But for injury to Roigard, TJ likely wouldnt have even made the squad as he'd have had less time in the saddle for the 'canes.
Injuries have forced thier hand to look at players earlier than they probably hoped.
For a call in player, Fakatava is probably the best choice purely as he has previous Test experience. If Christie goes down in the warmup do we really want Ratima and Hotham as the only two options?
The flipside to the test experience (Fakatava has 2 tests) is that Scott Hansen (who coaches the 9s and 10s) has worked with Hotham before a lot.
On Super Rugby form Fakatava certainly didn't excude a level of trust in his play that you would expect with his experience.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
as if i didn't have enough of a crush on Roigard already ....
@JayCee said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Christie said on a podcast that Roigard can kick contestable kicks 10 to 15m further than anyone in NZ (last year) because he gets so much more height on them.
as if i didn't have enough of a crush on Roigard already ....
Has @Canes4life hacked this account ?
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
But back to rugby. Robertson is the All Black coach now, and when 50/50 calls all seem to be going to journeymen Crusaders it's worthy of comment (Bell, Blackadder, Hotham, Havilli). ABs are for players ready now, not project players or improving the depth/development of the struggling Crusaders.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
But back to rugby. Robertson is the All Black coach now, and when 50/50 calls all seem to be going to journeymen Crusaders it's worthy of comment (Bell, Blackadder, Hotham, Havilli). ABs are for players ready now, not project players or improving the depth/development of the struggling Crusaders.
The only one you know for sure is a journeyman (at least at AB level) is Havilli. Bell and Hotham are likely the future of the Crusaders and have hit all their previous marks at grade level. (Who knows with Blackadder if he is any good, since he never plays, but he goes OK some of the time.)
And you are talking rot about all the 50/50 calls going to Cantabs anyway. I'm a Chiefs supporter and I reckon they got more rub than the Crusaders -- Jacobson and Va'ai don't inspire me much, Sititi makes Hotham look like a veteran and Narawa gets exposed defensively too much for my liking.
