Chiefs 2025
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amazing how these rumours come true.@chchfanatic said in Chiefs 2025:
amazing how these rumours come true.You called that a while ago, well played.
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@Windows97 said in Chiefs 2025:
Give himself one more crack at making the AB's in 2025??
I really rate SS but the fact that Fihaki was brought in ahead of him last year means that he'll need to have a stellar 2025 to move up the pecking order. With Love out for half of Super Rugby there's certainly opportunity for him to get back into the AB environment. I wish him well.
@Canes4life said in Chiefs 2025:
@Windows97 said in Chiefs 2025:
Give himself one more crack at making the AB's in 2025??
I really rate SS but the fact that Fihaki was brought in ahead of him last year means that he'll need to have a stellar 2025 to move up the pecking order. With Love out for half of Super Rugby there's certainly opportunity for him to get back into the AB environment. I wish him well.
If anything bringing Fihaki in is an indication that playing well is not a requirement.
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Can't remember who was after one but the white Chiefs training tees are for sale to the public now.
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I think the loose forward trio will now be one of the following (dependent on where Jacobson is played):
6 Finau
7 Jacobson
8 ParkerOR
6 Finau
7 Brown
8 JacobsonThere are plenty of other players who can play no.8 like Wrampling and Boshier. Jacob Norris would be the likely injury replacement.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2025:
I think the loose forward trio will now be one of the following (dependent on where Jacobson is played):
6 Finau
7 Jacobson
8 ParkerOR
6 Finau
7 Brown
8 JacobsonThere are plenty of other players who can play no.8 like Wrampling and Boshier. Jacob Norris would be the likely injury replacement.
I think they will start parker at 8. but probably end up with wrampling. LJ has to stay at 7
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I think the loose forward trio will now be one of the following (dependent on where Jacobson is played):
6 Finau
7 Jacobson
8 ParkerOR
6 Finau
7 Brown
8 JacobsonThere are plenty of other players who can play no.8 like Wrampling and Boshier. Jacob Norris would be the likely injury replacement.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2025:
I think the loose forward trio will now be one of the following (dependent on where Jacobson is played):
6 Finau
7 Jacobson
8 ParkerOR
6 Finau
7 Brown
8 JacobsonThere are plenty of other players who can play no.8 like Wrampling and Boshier. Jacob Norris would be the likely injury replacement.
That’s unfortunate for Sititi, hopefully he recovers well from the surgery.
It’ll be interesting to see how McMillan reshuffles his loose forward trio. I’ve taken a quick look at some numbers from this season’s NPC (source: RugbyPass), and how Wrampling-Alec, Boshier and Parker played at eight. These are their averages across six games played at number eight (Boshier played a 7th game at 8 but left the game after 14 minutes so I left that out).
There’s some clear differences between the player profiles: Wrampling-Alec looks to be the most potent attacking threat, making the most metres, offloads and beating the most defenders on average. Boshier’s added value is primarily in his lineout game. And Parker looks to be the most potent threat, if only slightly, for stealing the ball. All seem to be solid defenders, with plenty of tackle involvements.
That being said, it could indeed well be that McMillan puts Jacobson at the back with Brown at openside, the latter being an experienced Super Rugby player with 51 games played for the Brumbies (SR exp.: Boshier, 26 caps; Parker, 22; Wrampling-Alec, 0).
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Boshier is more suited to no.8 (his position for Taranaki) but I wouldn't read too much into the lineout stats. That's more of a reflection of their NPC team lineout systems. Boshier is easily the shortest of the three and both Wrampling and Parker are good lineout options, and lifters due to their height.
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Boshier is more suited to no.8 (his position for Taranaki) but I wouldn't read too much into the lineout stats. That's more of a reflection of their NPC team lineout systems. Boshier is easily the shortest of the three and both Wrampling and Parker are good lineout options, and lifters due to their height.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2025:
Boshier is easily the shortest of the three and both Wrampling and Parker are good lineout options, and lifters due to their height.
If I had a choice between height and lineout takes as 'signs' to interpret someone's lineout ability, I would personally always go for the takes. There's a reason why the calls go to certain players and why NPC lineout systems focus on them.
This could be different things, like, the player has shown an ability to catch and transfer lineout ball cleanly or they act as the caller and are most comfortable calling to themselves.
Or it could also just be that certain players are more suited for different roles. If you had a choice between Boshier and Arese Poliko to crash up in midfield to set up your lineout attack, it makes sense that Boshier secures the ball and Poliko makes the run.
With someone like Wrampling, you want him to be in position to use his athleticism and dynamism as a carrier, so it makes sense that he's less present in the lineout, even if he's taller than someone like Boshier.
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@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2025:
Boshier is easily the shortest of the three and both Wrampling and Parker are good lineout options, and lifters due to their height.
If I had a choice between height and lineout takes as 'signs' to interpret someone's lineout ability, I would personally always go for the takes. There's a reason why the calls go to certain players and why NPC lineout systems focus on them.
This could be different things, like, the player has shown an ability to catch and transfer lineout ball cleanly or they act as the caller and are most comfortable calling to themselves.
Or it could also just be that certain players are more suited for different roles. If you had a choice between Boshier and Arese Poliko to crash up in midfield to set up your lineout attack, it makes sense that Boshier secures the ball and Poliko makes the run.
With someone like Wrampling, you want him to be in position to use his athleticism and dynamism as a carrier, so it makes sense that he's less present in the lineout, even if he's taller than someone like Boshier.
@Mauss My point was more that the use of a specific player in the lineout often differs from team to team. Take Wrampling for example, I remember him being used a lot for the NZ U20s last year, but less so for Waikato. Sititi was probably used as much, if not more, than Barrett for the ABs. As you say, it is dependent on the roles of each player within your system and where you want to throw the ball to (front vs back).
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Does anyone think resting Sititi is more about resting one of our key All Blacks than anything else? Not unlike what happened last year with Will Jordan or is it likely he may make an appearance at the end of Super Rugby?
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@SBW1 He's having knee surgery today. Ideally all parties will want him back before the end of Super however by the same token they won't want to rush him if he isn't ready.
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2025:
@SBW1 He's having knee surgery today. Ideally all parties will want him back before the end of Super however by the same token they won't want to rush him if he isn't ready.
It’s strange to me that his surgery waited till this time.
No effort to get it done right away and get him more rugby this year is a bit strange - he’s our best player and we’re happy to not have him out there in our premium local competition says a lot about NZR being only about the ABs.
The wait could be to try to make sure he doesn’t rush back, but I guess more likely is just that the NZ health system takes this long? I dunno but I find it strange.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2025:
@SBW1 He's having knee surgery today. Ideally all parties will want him back before the end of Super however by the same token they won't want to rush him if he isn't ready.
It’s strange to me that his surgery waited till this time.
No effort to get it done right away and get him more rugby this year is a bit strange - he’s our best player and we’re happy to not have him out there in our premium local competition says a lot about NZR being only about the ABs.
The wait could be to try to make sure he doesn’t rush back, but I guess more likely is just that the NZ health system takes this long? I dunno but I find it strange.
@gt12 It's not uncommon to have to wait for the swelling to go down before surgery is performed. Especially if it wasn't properly diagnosed until they got back to NZ.
I am with you though in the sense that we are just guessing due to another example of the general lack of communication in rugby.
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@gt12 It's not uncommon to have to wait for the swelling to go down before surgery is performed. Especially if it wasn't properly diagnosed until they got back to NZ.
I am with you though in the sense that we are just guessing due to another example of the general lack of communication in rugby.
McMillan claiming to not even know the extent of the injury or how it happened is so NZR. And, weak pissed-ass journos won't ask a Super coach how in the fuck he doesn't know.
If it is an ACL, my understanding is that surgery straight away is best, unless you get misdiagnosed, however of course we don't know what kind of injury it is, thanks again to NZR. I assume it isn't half that bad but who knows?
Fan engagement is based on providing information and content on topics important to fans. It amazes me that NZR still doesn't get this - if one of our best players is out we want to know what happened, how long he'll be out, and what it means for our team. They care less than we do.
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McMillan claiming to not even know the extent of the injury or how it happened is so NZR. And, weak pissed-ass journos won't ask a Super coach how in the fuck he doesn't know.
If it is an ACL, my understanding is that surgery straight away is best, unless you get misdiagnosed, however of course we don't know what kind of injury it is, thanks again to NZR. I assume it isn't half that bad but who knows?
Fan engagement is based on providing information and content on topics important to fans. It amazes me that NZR still doesn't get this - if one of our best players is out we want to know what happened, how long he'll be out, and what it means for our team. They care less than we do.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2025:
It amazes me that NZR still doesn't get this
it's not just NZR
The entire elite rugby community treats everything like they are guarding state secrets. It's fucking ridiculous.
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McMillian did add this context
“It happened on the end of year tour and it’s taken a while to get to this point, because he just hasn’t had the surgeons available to be able to operate on.”@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2025:
McMillian did add this context
“It happened on the end of year tour and it’s taken a while to get to this point, because he just hasn’t had the surgeons available to be able to operate on.”So, partly what I thought. NZ really is becoming a bit of third-world country.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2025:
McMillian did add this context
“It happened on the end of year tour and it’s taken a while to get to this point, because he just hasn’t had the surgeons available to be able to operate on.”So, partly what I thought. NZ really is becoming a bit of third-world country.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2025:
McMillian did add this context
“It happened on the end of year tour and it’s taken a while to get to this point, because he just hasn’t had the surgeons available to be able to operate on.”So, partly what I thought. NZ really is becoming a bit of third-world country.
And the fact Sititi was overseas on holiday may of helped?? If they knew he needed surgery he would of had it, and if noone was here to do it they would of flown him overseas. Geez he wouldn't be in public sysetm.
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@gt12 said in Chiefs 2025:
It amazes me that NZR still doesn't get this
it's not just NZR
The entire elite rugby community treats everything like they are guarding state secrets. It's fucking ridiculous.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2025:
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2025:
It amazes me that NZR still doesn't get this
it's not just NZR
The entire elite rugby community treats everything like they are guarding state secrets. It's fucking ridiculous.
Change is hopefully/has to be on the way.
