All Blacks vs Argentina I
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The realty is we still could have won that but the late second half errors were mind numbing.
I genuinely thought those days were over. No captaincy.
Need to commit with the likes of Sititi , Ratima, Proctor, Jordan, Clarke -
Our tactics remind a little bit of when Wayne Smith tried to bring in the flat attack line because he thought our skills were superior, and it largely failed. I think Razor’s come in with a similar mindset, but what he’s forgotten is at this level, everybody's skill base is at a certain level, and rugby is still very much about power and pressure. There’s no way around it, and we need to select and/or grow players who can play a power game, or we’ll continue to go side to side and look ineffectual like we did tonight. I’ll cut him some slack as we’ve lost Whitelock, Retallick etc. who were the engine room for so long, but he needs to rethink the balance of his team fast.
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
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It honestly feels like we are trying to reinvent how to win test footy.
Side to side offload city
Snubbing our noses at the principals of how you win test matches.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It honestly feels like we are trying to reinvent how to win test footy.
Side to side offload city
Snubbing our noses at the principals of how you win test matches.
Fozzieball
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I wonder if we are missing mental skills guru Gilbert Enoka more than we realised we would.
Yes, we were physically overpowered but we froze at the end too. Execution of basic, controlled skills went to shit. Something really not right.
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Just saw Foz surfing out at Raglan
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Burn this stadium
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So we need a decisive captain, an effcient hooker, an impactful lock (Darry is more a solid workhorse) and Lord to me doesn't look like having the physical impact. 9 is sorted, 10 maybe, 12 is still unclear, 13 has competition, for wings there are enough good players. But our loosies still don't play as a team.
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I wonder if we are missing mental skills guru Gilbert Enoka more than we realised we would.
Yes, we were physically overpowered but we froze at the end too. Execution of basic, controlled skills went to shit. Something really not right.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I wonder if we are missing mental skills guru Gilbert Enoka more than we realised we would.
Yes, we were physically overpowered but we froze at the end too. Execution of basic, controlled skills went to shit. Something really not right.
Yeah there's a top 2 inches missing, looking at a situation where a Crotty or obviously fucking McCaw would have pulled it together, calmed it down, and done whatever it took to win.
Rather than whatever it was Ardie did tonight.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
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Barely a player came out of that game looking good, there was no organisation. That is a fault of the coaching staff for poor selection and poor team preparation
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Barely a player came out of that game looking good, there was no organisation. That is a fault of the coaching staff for poor selection and poor team preparation
Carry has added a bit of depth at lock
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Barely a player came out of that game looking good, there was no organisation. That is a fault of the coaching staff for poor selection and poor team preparation
Carry has added a bit of depth at lock
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Barely a player came out of that game looking good, there was no organisation. That is a fault of the coaching staff for poor selection and poor team preparation
Carry has added a bit of depth at lock
Darry was the only one
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
How? H-h-how??? Just, how???
That came down to three moments. Two gifted tries and a series of awful passes.
Does D-Mac need to take a spell and bring Plummer in from outside the squad? We just have zero punch. Personly I thought there were some rough PKs against us. Not sure what SlackBladder did in the lineout other than compete for the ball to warrant a PK and there we some rucks such as the last PK where Sititi was sitting out the back doing sweet FA to be involved yet gets pinged. The fact is, Argentina should have been within 14 points of this game yet we managed to manufacture them a win. FML.
I may get roasted here but in hindsight
10 Plummer
12 Lam (ok ok raw as hell, ALB then)
13 Proctorwould have gone better IMO
Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
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Fuck that was poor.
Just finished watching.
By fuck we did some dumb shit.
If there was an option to make a mistake we fucking took it.
We're obviously capable of playing better rugby than them, and did for most of the game. But you can't just give them points .
Did they score any without us fucking up?
Didn't Surf Jesus's teams have a rep about not making mistakes.
Even Fozzie's team didn't fuck up that badly.
Seriously we're 30 points better than them.
But fucking scoreboard dickheads. You can’t let them stay close through stupid fucking errors like that.
Fuck
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For all the talk of Cantab bias, Ardie Savea and TJP were right up there for most experienced and shittest performance. Jordie not far behind either. And Aumua.
Too many canes, at their home ground?@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
For all the talk of Cantab bias, Ardie Savea and TJP were right up there for most experienced and shittest performance. Jordie not far behind either. And Aumua.
Too many canes, at their home ground?Let’s just ignore all the other shit performances of the night then.
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It honestly feels like we are trying to reinvent how to win test footy.
Side to side offload city
Snubbing our noses at the principals of how you win test matches.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Side to side offload city
Nailed
The only way we were ever going to win this was to take it up the middle, which at times we did quite well. -
Well done Argies. Kept scoreboard pressure on us all night.
Our discipline in the second half was extremely poor. Poor discipline to give away penalties. Poor discipline to keep our shape defensively.
Very disappointing.
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Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
He looked great at 12 when he started, either he is out of form, the tactics don't suit him, or the opposition have worked him out and he is too limited to get out of the rut. I don't know what it is either. Still prefer him at 12 to DH.
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@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
I thought Sotutu was very unlucky not to be given an opportunity, and you could argue Ioane should had another shot too. But as good as Tuipulotu as been this year, realistically he’s a 60 min journeyman at best. That aside, the gulf between Super and test rugby is now massive, and as others have pointed out, it doesn’t prepare our players to step up. Honestly, I had hoped for a lot more positivity in how we played this year. We have limited top quality players, so we’ll need to develop them. Look how many kiwi cast-offs are playing for Ireland… it’s doable.
