All Blacks vs Argentina I
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None of the players came out looking good. From the attitude to the tactics and everything in between. That's the fault of the coaching team. They have work to do
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Well, that was a fun game to watch, NPC-esque. Loose as, lots of points, plenty of open footy. Some sexy tries from both sides.
Congratulations Argentina, they played footy right from the word go, any time they had possession they attacked. And they tackled well all night, and put heat on every ruck. A great win.
Disappointing from us. Lots of helter skelter shit. Seems our plan is chaos ball, fast fast fast. It's not a very good plan. But it makes the selections make a lot more sense.
Interesting that our two best periods of play that led to two very nice tries looked very much like 2024 Blues. But just without their players.
Darry was fucking awesome. I'm interested to see Vaai catching strays when he was thr only player I saw actually hit anyone with any force. Blackadder worked really hard, but there isn't much outcome there. The other two loosies were shit.
Thr backline is seriously disjointed. And it's all a moment of individual brilliance that sparks things.
Oh god how bad were the bench forwards?? Sititi looks like what he is, an absolute rookie elevated ahead of his time. Aumua shat the bed. Lord was 18 steps down from darry. Yuck.
This was not good from us. Very yuck. I expect us to win next week, but that 23 in the Republic is in for a nasty nasty time
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@Duluth Robertson made the right noises there in the circumstances: praised the Argentinians, no excuses, owned the defeat, take the learnings and improve.
But there is no hiding that the selection, the game management and skill execution under pressure were all extremely poor.
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan So none of the fault on the players?
Sure. And they were all sub par. But IMHO the set up and the tactics did not help them to succeed. I'm puzzled, as I was in the early Foster years, why we don't play more direct. When we did we scored. When we went to wide too fast we turned the ball over and often the Argies profited
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan So none of the fault on the players?
Sure. And they were all sub par. But IMHO the set up and the tactics did not help them to succeed. I'm puzzled, as I was in the early Foster years, why we don't play more direct. When we did we scored. When we went to wide too fast we turned the ball over and often the Argies profited
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
You can defend your guys. I understand. But I don't think anyone can be happy with much of anything the ABs presented tonight. Regardless of where they play their provincial rugby
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
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Having just watched the Dame power to victory in the K1, the only conclusion left is that we must clone her at once and slot the clones in to replace the current crop of shoddy ABs.
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Having just watched the Dame power to victory in the K1, the only conclusion left is that we must clone her at once and slot the clones in to replace the current crop of shoddy ABs.
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Having just watched the Dame power to victory in the K1, the only conclusion left is that we must clone her at once and slot the clones in to replace the current crop of shoddy ABs.
100%. She’s our greatest Olympian of all time. Even some of our ABs would be jealous of her guns.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful. -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.All in all it was dreadful. We need to flush the dunny and move on. Everyone on here knows we can be better. It’s time for these guys to start bloody showing it no matter what province they are from.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
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That was supposed to be Robertson's forte, wasn't it? It seems to have gone backwards
Was it? Genuine question, I don't remember that ever being given as a strength of his teams.
Regardless, not much he can do when it's the players out on the field. Could he have picked a different squad? Perhaps - but most of the experienced guys everyone is criticising for being out of form so a bit of a catch-22.
Pretty much. Recall articles on how he bred teams who were incredibly focused when up against it.
The Fern was full of gushing praise on this point, some hilariously hyperbolic.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.All in all it was dreadful. We need to flush the dunny and move on. Everyone on here knows we can be better. It’s time for these guys to start bloody showing it no matter what province they are from.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.All in all it was dreadful. We need to flush the dunny and move on. Everyone on here knows we can be better. It’s time for these guys to start bloody showing it no matter what province they are from.
I feel I've landed on the Ireland II thread from last year.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.All in all it was dreadful. We need to flush the dunny and move on. Everyone on here knows we can be better. It’s time for these guys to start bloody showing it no matter what province they are from.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We need to flush the dunny and move on
The All Blacks have needed to do that far too often since Steve Hansen first used the phrase.
Yet the stench of some of these performances keeps lingering - maybe its time they don't get to just move on without first fully understanding why they were a failure as a 23...
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We need to flush the dunny and move on
The All Blacks have needed to do that far too often since Steve Hansen first used the phrase.
Yet the stench of some of these performances keeps lingering - maybe its time they don't get to just move on without first fully understanding why they were a failure as a 23...
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We need to flush the dunny and move on
The All Blacks have needed to do that far too often since Steve Hansen first used the phrase.
Yet the stench of some of these performances keeps lingering - maybe its time they don't get to just move on without first fully understanding why they were a failure as a 23...
Fair call, there’s so much wrong with the ABs. Ever since we botched the Lions series in 2017 we haven’t been the same and we seem to not be learning from failure after failure. Let’s hope these coaches can turn shit around fast.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We need to flush the dunny and move on
The All Blacks have needed to do that far too often since Steve Hansen first used the phrase.
Yet the stench of some of these performances keeps lingering - maybe its time they don't get to just move on without first fully understanding why they were a failure as a 23...
Fair call, there’s so much wrong with the ABs. Ever since we botched the Lions series in 2017 we haven’t been the same and we seem to not be learning from failure after failure. Let’s hope these coaches can turn shit around fast.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We need to flush the dunny and move on
The All Blacks have needed to do that far too often since Steve Hansen first used the phrase.
Yet the stench of some of these performances keeps lingering - maybe its time they don't get to just move on without first fully understanding why they were a failure as a 23...
Fair call, there’s so much wrong with the ABs. Ever since we botched the Lions series in 2017 we haven’t been the same and we seem to not be learning from failure after failure. Let’s hope these coaches can turn shit around fast.
I don't believe it's purely an execution issue. We have philosophical issues right now
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the elephant in the room is whether when plan A doesn't work, someone can change plan A to plan B. And who would it be?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Honestly listening to this sounds like listening to aware children. They say the right things, but it's the excuses we've heard before for exactly the same transgressions. How can you not have patterns to exit? How do you not know to not throw passes to nobody? How do you not know that passing to someone without support is only going to put us under pressure and we'll likely give away a penalty as a result?
Let's be honest and say we lost this game more than our opposition won it because we placed ourselves under pressure with stupid or ineffective execution.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.All in all it was dreadful. We need to flush the dunny and move on. Everyone on here knows we can be better. It’s time for these guys to start bloody showing it no matter what province they are from.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Hahaha Hang on I will go get your dummy for you.
And I’ll get your eye patch.
Hahaha it maybe right next to your dummy
The only one acting like a little baby is you. At least I can admit when Canes players are playing like arse. You can’t even admit anything which proves my point.
Come on mate chill out you hate criticism of canes players just admit it.
This is the most ‘pot calling the kettle black’ statement I’ve ever seen. I’ve literally just said the Canes players weren’t good enough tonight but still don’t see you guys admitting how woeful your players were aswell. It’s laughable.
Oh no I will admit every one was poor tonight the coaches the players the game plan the Captain was shit.
Very shit house effort I would not give anyone above a 6 for that effort,
But you get all twisted when a canes player gets critiqued in a way you don’t like.What are you on about. I’ve admitted the Canes players were shit tonight. The thing I get annoyed with is when you blokes point finger at non-Cantabs when clearly your players are fking up just as much. For example Taylor had 66 minutes to impact that game and help put it beyond reach, fucking up a fair amount along the way, but when Aumua comes on and doesn’t perform it’s suddenly all his fault we lost the test. Get a grip of yourselves.
Never said Amua lost the test on his own he had a lot of help,
As for Taylor I think there was a shit load of other players stinking the game up more in that 66 minutes he was on the field it actually got worse in the last 15 minutes of that test it was awful.All in all it was dreadful. We need to flush the dunny and move on. Everyone on here knows we can be better. It’s time for these guys to start bloody showing it no matter what province they are from.
100% agree with that it is frustrating as hell.
