All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean a hard shoulder that he only uses on first fives. Needs to hit a few more bigger bodies if he wants to get more minutes. That's his job. Ardie isn't the enforcer, Blackadder and Finau are. If they don't step up in the Rugby Championship then I hope the coaches have the brains to look elsewhere.
Perhaps the All Blacks would be in a better place if all three loose forwards did loose forward shit.
But thanks for admitting Ardie is shirking the work.
@antipodean and thanks for admitting that Finau needs to actually do 'work' when he's on the field.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
I also treat with derision people that argue for a 6'2" blindside to complement our 6' #8 and 6'3" openside.
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside. What happened to loose forwards in this country that our openside had to tackle himself to a standstill so two others could swan about looking for highlight reel opportunities?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
I also treat with derision people that argue for a 6'2" blindside to complement our 6' #8 and 6'3" openside.
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside. What happened to loose forwards in this country that our openside had to tackle himself to a standstill so two others could swan about looking for highlight reel opportunities?
Blackadder wasn't playing blindside.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
I also treat with derision people that argue for a 6'2" blindside to complement our 6' #8 and 6'3" openside.
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside. What happened to loose forwards in this country that our openside had to tackle himself to a standstill so two others could swan about looking for highlight reel opportunities?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside.
Ethan was playing openside in that test.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
I also treat with derision people that argue for a 6'2" blindside to complement our 6' #8 and 6'3" openside.
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside. What happened to loose forwards in this country that our openside had to tackle himself to a standstill so two others could swan about looking for highlight reel opportunities?
Blackadder wasn't playing blindside.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
I also treat with derision people that argue for a 6'2" blindside to complement our 6' #8 and 6'3" openside.
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside. What happened to loose forwards in this country that our openside had to tackle himself to a standstill so two others could swan about looking for highlight reel opportunities?
Blackadder wasn't playing blindside.
Who could tell?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.
Will he ever be? Ratima will never have Aaron Smith's pass if he doesn't already.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
Man I hope Roigard gets onto the park soon. How good would a Roigard / Ratima one two punch be. Hotham to me is too young still, TJP is leaving so why waste our time, and then Christie... well we don't need to go there.
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Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
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Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of
SRPhis career injuredFTFY
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series. I'm glad he's gone, he's not the enforcer that everyone talked him up to be. Did he even make one dominant tackle?
As Messam mentioned in Super Rugby, I think he needs to practice hitting forwards and not scrawny backs.
i am sure there is someone running around in reserve grade in Wellington who would be better aye?
And he was the worst forward unless you count all the others who did fuck all as well.
He is literally the only "built like a 6" in the squad and was the best 6 in Super rugby. Giving him 2 tests and dropping him for another 7.5 is stupid.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
He is literally the only "built like a 6" in the squad and was the best 6 in Super rugby.
Finau best 6 in Super Rugby? I didn't realise that was a universally shared opinion.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.
Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.
Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.
Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured
I hope so! He still gets around the park so still has that huge motor.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Another year and no solution at 6.
It’s test 4 for this new group, so not ready to hang yet on what they are doing at blindside.
In the first 3 seasons of Henry/Hansen/Smith they started 8 different players at blindside.
In that first year (2004) there was chopping and changing too. It went something like:
Gibbes
Gibbes
Collins
Gibbes
Gibbes
Collins
Gibbes
Gibbes
Collins
So’oialo
Collins
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.
Will he ever be? Ratima will never have Aaron Smith's pass if he doesn't already.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.
Will he ever be? Ratima will never have Aaron Smith's pass if he doesn't already.
The Smith reference was in relation to Ratima playing 80 minutes.
Aaron Smith is the only AB halfback in the past 17-18 years that has played 80 minutes in a test match.
Weepu was the one prior to Smith, in early 2006 against the Argies.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Yes. I suspect the coaches love him, the other players do as well but he really didn't play enough to justify early season inclusion IMO.
