All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.Jerry Collins was broken and gone by 27
Blackadder doesn't have that many miles on the clock to be fair.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.Jerry Collins was broken and gone by 27
Blackadder doesn't have that many miles on the clock to be fair.
No he broke much earlier
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.
The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.
Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.
I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.
The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.
Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.
I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.
Mark Telea is the back three selector Leon McDonald's undroppable pet, what did you expect, the same happened at the Blues when AJ Lam was in better form than Telea but never got a look in until Telea got injured.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.
The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.
Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.
I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.
Mark Telea is the back three selector Leon McDonald's undroppable pet, what did you expect, the same happened at the Blues when AJ Lam was in better form than Telea but never got a look in until Telea got injured.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.
The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.
Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.
I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.
Mark Telea is the back three selector Leon McDonald's undroppable pet, what did you expect, the same happened at the Blues when AJ Lam was in better form than Telea but never got a look in until Telea got injured.
MT has played well for the ABs in the past so not that much of an outlier as to why he is picked.
I think he’s down on form and there were a couple of concerning mis-reads but hardly just a Blues legacy thing going on here.
I’m guessing we will see a Clarke / Jordan combo return soon.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.Jerry Collins was broken and gone by 27
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.Jerry Collins was broken and gone by 27
poor bugger broken in many ways.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
That we don't know anything about rugby?
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.
The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.
Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.
I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.
Mark Telea is the back three selector Leon McDonald's undroppable pet, what did you expect, the same happened at the Blues when AJ Lam was in better form than Telea but never got a look in until Telea got injured.
MT has played well for the ABs in the past so not that much of an outlier as to why he is picked.
I think he’s down on form and there were a couple of concerning mis-reads but hardly just a Blues legacy thing going on here.
I’m guessing we will see a Clarke / Jordan combo return soon.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.
The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.
Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.
I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.
Mark Telea is the back three selector Leon McDonald's undroppable pet, what did you expect, the same happened at the Blues when AJ Lam was in better form than Telea but never got a look in until Telea got injured.
MT has played well for the ABs in the past so not that much of an outlier as to why he is picked.
I think he’s down on form and there were a couple of concerning mis-reads but hardly just a Blues legacy thing going on here.
I’m guessing we will see a Clarke / Jordan combo return soon.
but he didn't even compete for the ball in the air! Looked most strange to me, I really think he is injured.
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This article heading didn't age well
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-the-all-blacks-number-6-jersey-is-akira-ioanes-for-as-long-as-he-wants-it/XKAMZJXHTTITKUJVIDFI3Z5CZQ/
"Rugby: The All Blacks' number 6 jersey is Akira Ioane's for as long as he wants it" -
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Where's Foster
Not winning 3 of his first 5 tests in charge, that’s where
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Are any of you guys Ken who texts into SeNz. I’m picking Kirwan or Winger. He certainly has blues bias and no idea.
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Are any of you guys Ken who texts into SeNz. I’m picking Kirwan or Winger. He certainly has blues bias and no idea.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Winger. He certainly has blues bias
ummmm
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quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
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Are any of you guys Ken who texts into SeNz. I’m picking Kirwan or Winger. He certainly has blues bias and no idea.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Are any of you guys Ken who texts into SeNz. I’m picking Kirwan or Winger. He certainly has blues bias and no idea.
Kirwan is diehard Blues but doubt he would waste his time on talkback when he can waste his time here.
Winger is just anti anything to do with Crusaders, Canterbury and all that is good in the world.
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quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
Iguess the biggest, unavoidable to the coaches, issue is lock. Two of last years top 3 goneburgers, the other one injured, and next experienced cab of the rank also injured. You gotta hope the noobs take the opportunity like the nines did.
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quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
Like restarts, exits and defeating a rush defence...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
Like restarts, exits and defeating a rush defence...
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
quibbling over selections aside, we should expect a decent performance this weekend, and an idea about what the 2024 ABs look like.
6-7 weeks in camp together. 4th game. A host of seasoned players available. No real excuses not to show us something.
Like restarts, exits and defeating a rush defence...
And lineout
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Looking forward to seeing how Darry goes, promising debut. Not looking forward to seeing Blackadder covering lock when Lord gets injured sitting on the bench.
Hoping Beauds continues his upward curve and Jordan doesn't get exposed even worse at fullback than he did on the wing.
Interested to see how this midfield works.
And fingers crossed Telea and Perenara get back to early season form.
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Wow, with the responses on here you'd think we were still in the Foster era...
Fact is that these two Tests against Argentina are the easiest of the Rugby Championships and the selectors will use them to finesse their first-choice team for the rest of the year.
Tight five picks itself, given injuries to Barrett and Tuipulotu, and Aumua'a comparative advantage off the bench compared to Taylor.
Papali'i and (a slightly out of form) Savea are largely locked in at 7 and 8 - though I think Cane is still the better 7 than Papali'i but is heading off next year. Still wouldn't be hugely surprised to see him get minutes against Argentina and SA. At 6, it's a straight choice between Blackadder and Finau, given Jacobson's injury. Blackadder gets a run there this week but I assume Finau will get a crack next week and then whoever's the better performer of the two will likely start in SA.
Perenara is a baffling selection but it was always likely to be a combo of him and Ratima. Would still prefer Ratima to start.
ALB has been in great form over the last 12 months and he's been well and truly deserving of a run outside Jordie Barrett for a long time now. He and Proctor play a very similar game and are in similar form but with the team slightly down on experience, I'm pleased to see ALB in the side.
Tele'a hasn't had the best start to the year but and as some have alluded to this week, this could be his last chance to prove he should be starting on (either) wing, with Clarke probably the best choice at 11. I expect Clarke to get that jersey from next week, with Tele'a, Reece and Jordan largely fighting it out for the right wing spot.
The selectors haven't made any indication that this is the top (available) XV. We'll see that team line up against SA. For now, I'm pretty happy with the one selected - especially without knowing who they'll run out next weekend.
