All Blacks v Argentina II
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Give up while you're not ahead
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Was expecting a worse crowd
What's the numbers? Weather is arse
Official crowd figure was 40,122
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Was expecting a worse crowd
What's the numbers? Weather is arse
Official crowd figure was 40,122
Should probably look at whether Eden park should host tests if they're gonna be that far short of capacity when it's a sure thing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Give up while you're not ahead
You can't confirm?
No I'm cooking and on NZ Villa Maria
Vaai was good end of. -
Yeah unimpressed with that. Couldn’t get 50. It’s one thing to win super rugby trophies, test match footy is another beast. Really needs a cotter and Schmidt coaching ticket. Savea - hopeless. Need sotutu. Need akira. Perenara - hopeless, ratima should have started. Williams - hopeless. Just a token cantab selection. Need more mongrel and physicality.
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Love the consistent Sotutu and Akira comments. Two players that never really grabbed test rugby until they didn't play.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ethan is too slow to get to rucks.
At least he’s done a lot tonight. Haven’t noticed Dalton.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ethan is too slow to get to rucks.
At least he’s done a lot tonight. Haven’t noticed Dalton.
Ethan = Poor Man's McCaw
Dalton = Poor Man's Cane
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The whole pack has stood up tonight.
.... hmmm is this the mini bomb squad or something?
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The whole pack has stood up tonight.
.... hmmm is this the mini bomb squad or something?
If we could get over ourselves, and accept that we don't always have to be "The Entertainers" who play rugby "the right way", we could be a set piece and counter attack oriented dominant force.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Give up while you're not ahead
You can't confirm?
No I'm cooking and on NZ Villa Maria
Vaai was good end of.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Give up while you're not ahead
You can't confirm?
No I'm cooking and on NZ Villa Maria
Vaai was good end of.He was. I'll raise you some boneless NZ lamb chops on the grill.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ethan is too slow to get to rucks.
At least he’s done a lot tonight. Haven’t noticed Dalton.
Ethan = Poor Man's McCaw
Dalton = Poor Man's Cane
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ethan is too slow to get to rucks.
At least he’s done a lot tonight. Haven’t noticed Dalton.
Ethan = Poor Man's McCaw
Dalton = Poor Man's Cane
I noticed DP when he hit hard 3 times in a row with Argentina hot on attack.
Yes, phrasing.
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Yeah unimpressed with that. Couldn’t get 50. It’s one thing to win super rugby trophies, test match footy is another beast. Really needs a cotter and Schmidt coaching ticket. Savea - hopeless. Need sotutu. Need akira. Perenara - hopeless, ratima should have started. Williams - hopeless. Just a token cantab selection. Need more mongrel and physicality.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yeah unimpressed with that. Couldn’t get 50. It’s one thing to win super rugby trophies, test match footy is another beast. Really needs a cotter and Schmidt coaching ticket. Savea - hopeless. Need sotutu. Need akira. Perenara - hopeless, ratima should have started. Williams - hopeless. Just a token cantab selection. Need more mongrel and physicality.
Ratima starts = 50
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The whole pack has stood up tonight.
.... hmmm is this the mini bomb squad or something?
If we could get over ourselves, and accept that we don't always have to be "The Entertainers" who play rugby "the right way", we could be a set piece and counter attack oriented dominant force.
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The whole pack has stood up tonight.
.... hmmm is this the mini bomb squad or something?
If we could get over ourselves, and accept that we don't always have to be "The Entertainers" who play rugby "the right way", we could be a set piece and counter attack oriented dominant force.
What annoys me is when we are 20 ahead with 20 mins to go we go into entertainment mode and the structure turns to shite.
Good scrums, good ball retention, no offsides and no knock ons is entertainment. -
The referee made two errors against the New Zealanders : the penalty for Matera's turnover and the harsh one against Mighty Williams in the scrum, when the Argentine THP had clearly lost his bind. Otherwise, I thought he was pretty good. His decisions were clear and he let the game flow.
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@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The whole pack has stood up tonight.
.... hmmm is this the mini bomb squad or something?
If we could get over ourselves, and accept that we don't always have to be "The Entertainers" who play rugby "the right way", we could be a set piece and counter attack oriented dominant force.
What annoys me is when we are 20 ahead with 20 mins to go we go into entertainment mode and the structure turns to shite.
Good scrums, good ball retention, no offsides and no knock ons is entertainment.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The whole pack has stood up tonight.
.... hmmm is this the mini bomb squad or something?
If we could get over ourselves, and accept that we don't always have to be "The Entertainers" who play rugby "the right way", we could be a set piece and counter attack oriented dominant force.
What annoys me is when we are 20 ahead with 20 mins to go we go into entertainment mode and the structure turns to shite.
Good scrums, good ball retention, no offsides and no knock ons is entertainment.Nah, if it's a sure thing I'm all for the players trying to have a bit of fun.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Really good from the starting XV apart from Reiko Ioane
Habullshit.
Or shall we just ignore the lack of change out wide for Argentina, the extra space out wide for black, the fuck all line breaks and turnovers in the midfield?
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Really good from the starting XV apart from Reiko Ioane
Habullshit.
Or shall we just ignore the lack of change out wide for Argentina, the extra space out wide for black, the fuck all line breaks and turnovers in the midfield?
Rieko was once again completely mediocre and should have no place in the starting 15 currently.
On attack today, from the midfielders and outside backs he had the 2nd most carries but had..
-the least metres made
-0 linebreaks (every other back made at least 1)
-0 defenders beaten (every other back had at least 2)On defense, from all the backs he had..
-the 2nd least tackles made (only 2 tackles made)He conceded the most turnovers of possession of anyone in the entire team today (3).
Mediocre to near bad game in a dominant win.
ALB who came on late made more metres and beat more defenders than Rieko with less than half the carries Rieko had.
He also made more than 2x the tackles in the time he had.
So I'm REALLY struggling to see what value if ANY that Rieko is bringing currently.
https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=600017&league=244293
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Really good from the starting XV apart from Reiko Ioane
Habullshit.
Or shall we just ignore the lack of change out wide for Argentina, the extra space out wide for black, the fuck all line breaks and turnovers in the midfield?
Rieko was once again completely mediocre and should have no place in the starting 15 currently.
On attack today, from the midfielders and outside backs he had the 2nd most carries but had..
-the least metres made
-0 linebreaks (every other back made at least 1)
-0 defenders beaten (every other back had at least 2)On defense, from all the backs he had..
-the 2nd least tackles made (only 2 tackles made)He conceded the most turnovers of possession of anyone in the entire team today (3).
Mediocre to near bad game in a dominant win.
ALB who came on late made more metres and beat more defenders than Rieko with less than half the carries Rieko had.
He also made more than 2x the tackles in the time he had.
So I'm REALLY struggling to see what value if ANY that Rieko is bringing currently.
https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=600017&league=244293
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Vaii's best game as an All Black.
Long term I think he is a 6 who can play Lock, rather than the other way around.
I wouldn’t been against that as it looks as though he could be squeezed out of the lock quartet.
Tbf to him he does look better at this level this year.
He would need to add some bulk up which is just a bit of time to do so.
He would definitely need to move there for the Chiefs obviously but then he has Finau in front of him.
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5 away from Howlett.
I said back in 2017 that he would break the record but the tries have dried up lately.
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Will Jordan may get there first. 33 tries in 33 Tests is an amazing strike rate.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Any scrum experts on that penalty?
At 38. Didn't look as though Tamaiti was pushing down. May be that Codie was angling down on Puma tighthead, who looked to me like he hinged. @nta?
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Referee is excellent. No mucking about with TMO, clear communication and not a single decision you can unequivocally say is wrong.
