All Blacks v Argentina II
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Your assessment of ALB is unfortunately accurate.
I do think its important to consider that ALB was primarily at 12 during the Hansen era and Foster moved him to 13 after Razor had been playing Goodhue at 12. He also struggled with injury a lot during the Foster era which makes it difficult to get any momentum.
That said I agree with others that he struggles for pace and physicality against the big teams.
Its possible that could be the same case for Proctor who also gets injured a lot.
The thing with Rieko is he's very durable and he isn't going to struggle against anyone for size or pace.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Your assessment of ALB is unfortunately accurate.
I do think its important to consider that ALB was primarily at 12 during the Hansen era and Foster moved him to 13 after Razor had been playing Goodhue at 12. He also struggled with injury a lot during the Foster era which makes it difficult to get any momentum.
That said I agree with others that he struggles for pace and physicality against the big teams.
Its possible that could be the same case for Proctor who also gets injured a lot.
The thing with Rieko is he's very durable and he isn't going to struggle against anyone for size or pace.
ALB was at 13 for the Chiefs and 12 for the ABs with RCro the opposite if I recall. Not sure why Hansen did that. But then again, late 2016- Hansen made a lot of calls that didn't make sense.
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Your assessment of ALB is unfortunately accurate.
I do think its important to consider that ALB was primarily at 12 during the Hansen era and Foster moved him to 13 after Razor had been playing Goodhue at 12. He also struggled with injury a lot during the Foster era which makes it difficult to get any momentum.
That said I agree with others that he struggles for pace and physicality against the big teams.
Its possible that could be the same case for Proctor who also gets injured a lot.
The thing with Rieko is he's very durable and he isn't going to struggle against anyone for size or pace.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Your assessment of ALB is unfortunately accurate.
I do think it’s important to consider that ALB was primarily at 12 during the Hansen era and Foster moved him to 13 after Razor had been playing Goodhue at 12. He also struggled with injury a lot during the Foster era which makes it difficult to get any momentum.
The post Nonu/Smith era we saw a merry go round of combinations due to injury, availability, form, exodus.
ALB has been a key feature of that merry go round. But Hansen played him at centre plenty of times and Foster continued it.
- started 11 tests at 2nd 5 - 7 in the Hansen era, 3 in the Foster era, 1 in the Razor era
- started 31 tests at centre - 17 in the Hansen era, 13 in the Foster era, 1 in the Razor era
- come off the bench in 33 tests - 19 in the Hansen era, 11 in the Foster era, 3 in the Razor era
When ALB started at 2nd 5 he partnered with the following players at centre:
- Fekitoa (3)
- Goodhue (4)
- Ioane (2)
- Ennor (1)
- Proctor (1)
When ALB started at centre he partnered with the following players at 2nd 5:
- Crotty (9)
- Laumape (5)
- Havili (7)
- SBW (4)
- Goodhue (4)
- Jordie (2)
When he has come off the bench he has played a mix of both midfield positions and even on the wing.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I also think ALBs form is being a bit overstated. It's great to see him playing well again after a string of injuries, but his best game was against a very poor Fijian team that any of our backs were going to look great against.
ALB was up there with Havili as one of the most overrated players in NZ for me, at least of the Fozzie years, 2020-2023.
This year was honestly the first time he's had a great Super Rugby season since 2019, he's been a bit of a passive passenger and non attacking presence at All Black level since his peak years of 2016-2019. Injuries played it's part and impacted on consistency.
I still think he's lived far too much off his 2016-2019 reputation in the media, because he never really kicked on post-Hansen years and he's currently 29.
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
Never really makes an impact, come on bro, surely you watched the RWC QF against Ireland. His impact late in the game was massive.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7V9r8idGSrkBGsiU/?mibextid=UalRPS
Some fun facts also, in the 33 tests he has come off the bench the ABs are
Wins - 26
Draws - 3
Losses - 4 -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
Never really makes an impact, come on bro, surely you watched the RWC QF against Ireland. His impact late in the game was massive.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7V9r8idGSrkBGsiU/?mibextid=UalRPS
Some fun facts also, in the 33 tests he has come off the bench the ABs are
Wins - 26
Draws - 3
Losses - 4@ACT-Crusader Top work there!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
Never really makes an impact, come on bro, surely you watched the RWC QF against Ireland. His impact late in the game was massive.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7V9r8idGSrkBGsiU/?mibextid=UalRPS
Some fun facts also, in the 33 tests he has come off the bench the ABs are
Wins - 26
Draws - 3
Losses - 4@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
Never really makes an impact, come on bro, surely you watched the RWC QF against Ireland. His impact late in the game was massive.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7V9r8idGSrkBGsiU/?mibextid=UalRPS
Some fun facts also, in the 33 tests he has come off the bench the ABs are
Wins - 26
Draws - 3
Losses - 4Many bench appearances in 2020s, during which AB win performance c. 71%. Excluding gimmes falls to 63.4%, if my figures correct.
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Rewatched Q3. Excellent try at beginning of half. Seven replacements 51 - 54.
Papali'i a tackling machine -- at one stage three in a minute!
Noticeable that ABs after try became sloppy. Five or so errors which kept dissapating pressure over course of rest of quarter.
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Rewatched Q3. Excellent try at beginning of half. Seven replacements 51 - 54.
Papali'i a tackling machine -- at one stage three in a minute!
Noticeable that ABs after try became sloppy. Five or so errors which kept dissapating pressure over course of rest of quarter.
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Q4.
ABs should be shot for not scoring from 5m out at 69.
First a smart arsed short throw, and then backs couldn’t manage draw and pass to go over. Ended up with Pumas scoring at other end near sticks.
My other takeaway was BB at 10 and WJ at 15 made mainly poor decisions. Big step down from DMac/BB.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
Never really makes an impact, come on bro, surely you watched the RWC QF against Ireland. His impact late in the game was massive.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7V9r8idGSrkBGsiU/?mibextid=UalRPS
Some fun facts also, in the 33 tests he has come off the bench the ABs are
Wins - 26
Draws - 3
Losses - 4@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Couldn't agree more. He's always been a handy test player rather than a game breaker . He never really makes an impact off the bench either.
Never really makes an impact, come on bro, surely you watched the RWC QF against Ireland. His impact late in the game was massive.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7V9r8idGSrkBGsiU/?mibextid=UalRPS
Some fun facts also, in the 33 tests he has come off the bench the ABs are
Wins - 26
Draws - 3
Losses - 4Tbf I said never really. Now do the final. I'm not saying he's shit or anything I just don't see him as anything other than a stop-gap at this point in time. Has definitely not lived up to the early hype.
