All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
You aren't missing anything. Most coaches take a while to make changes and default to giving the experienced player another chance to prove themselves - even in the face of overwhelming evidence - especially coming off a loss. Equal parts frustrating and predictable.
@KiwiMurph its just disaapointing, i feel razor would be cut more slack if he was doing something completely different...and we coped the odd loss early in his run....than just doing more or less the same stuff that wasn't working before
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I don't think Argentina will be flat at all. Judging by some interviews they are looking for a series win. They made it clear they want two in a row.
The AB team looks nothing more than a shuffling of the deck chairs. I can't see how things are going to different, unless they decide to change the plan up. But have they picked the cattle to change things up? I don't think they have.
I am still concerned about kick off reception. Surely the Argies will kick long, high and deep again. Given our under 13 level kicking distance our only option will be the high kick and chase. I suppose our new 11 and 14 will help in that regard but it obviuisly still needs TJ to be accurate.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
I know we are all upset about the loss last week and certain selections have question marks on them for us fans, but come on, Razor’s hardy the first coach that has named a VC and said VC (or even captain) has been in a form rut and still been selected.
I even recall when there were calls for McCaw to be replaced by Cane as the starting openside but Henry “had made his bed” with McCaw as captain. Remember the same with Bender too when he was VC and calls for him to not be selected.
Either we don’t have captains or vice captains so auto selection will never be an issue or we just back that guys in those positions will lift. Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
yes, this is my point - he is a one trick pony atm (well, 2 if you count running straight and running hard as 2 things) - I can count on one hand the times I've seen him offload, and I can count on zero fingers the times he has put an outside into space
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Reminder that Fozzie never lost a rugby championship
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Reminder that Razor has a 0% win rate in The Rugby Championship
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
yes, this is my point - he is a one trick pony atm (well, 2 if you count running straight and running hard as 2 things) - I can count on one hand the times I've seen him offload, and I can count on zero fingers the times he has put an outside into space
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imagine being the only openside in the country who can't get selected? soul destroying.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
imagine being the only openside in the country who can't get selected? soul destroying.
Imagine being the best blind side in the country who can't get selected...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
imagine being the only openside in the country who can't get selected? soul destroying.
Imagine being the best blind side in the country who can't get selected...
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
imagine being the only openside in the country who can't get selected? soul destroying.
Imagine being the best blind side in the country who can't get selected...
well, it's the top 2 really.
The best #8 in Super Rugby is playing NPC, and of the two top 6s, one is holding tackle bags, and the other is playing NPC.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
For Darry's try, which was basically McKenzie and Barrett breaking away, it's Blackadder right on Darry's shoulder as he scores. Massive props to Darry for being up there too by the way.
So what you're saying is that this tearaway loose forward with a big motor was beaten to the punch by a to date run of the mill lock known for doing the tight stuff and not exactly having pace?
Thats exactly what im saying. And guess where our open side flanker was.
Standing on our own 22 with his hands on his hips.
Blackadder started from a deeper position than Papalii and Dalton didnt try a leg to get there.
Dalton top left, Darry with white head tape to the right. Blackadder just inside 22.
Watch the footage. Dalton just stops and puts hands on hips. Darry and Blackadder chase McKenzie's chip and chase, overtaking Perenara en route half way up the field. Darry looks fair quick for a lock in the footage. Well done to him.
Dalton top left with hands on hips while the rest of the Allblacks try and score a try. He is still ahead of Darry and Blackadder at this point.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
For Darry's try, which was basically McKenzie and Barrett breaking away, it's Blackadder right on Darry's shoulder as he scores. Massive props to Darry for being up there too by the way.
So what you're saying is that this tearaway loose forward with a big motor was beaten to the punch by a to date run of the mill lock known for doing the tight stuff and not exactly having pace?
Thats exactly what im saying. And guess where our open side flanker was.
Standing on our own 22 with his hands on his hips.
Blackadder started from a deeper position than Papalii and Dalton didnt try a leg to get there.
Dalton top left, Darry with white head tape to the right. Blackadder just inside 22.
Watch the footage. Dalton just stops and puts hands on hips. Darry and Blackadder chase McKenzie's chip and chase, overtaking Perenara en route half way up the field. Darry looks fair quick for a lock in the footage. Well done to him.
Dalton top left with hands on hips while the rest of the Allblacks try and score a try. He is still ahead of Darry and Blackadder at this point.
This is so wrong it isn't funny. Like really, really stupid.
The moment DMc kicked that ball Papali'i was offside. If he went further upfield he would simply have to turn around and move backwards, thereby cancelling any movement upfield.
Blackadder is strongly advantaged by being behind DMc, which is why he too waited until he was almost level.
Papali'i did exactly the right thing, which was to conserve energy in a situation where he could be of no use.
If Darry chased the kick from ahead of the kicker, then he was offside and it was a stupid play by him.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
I'm exactly the same mate, I really hoped / thought I would be able to understand Razors selections more than this... but TJP just ustterly baffles me...its literally like driving down the road with the handbrake not quite off....
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All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets)
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Tamaiti Williams (8)
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Codie Taylor (88) (Vice Captain)
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Tyrel Lomax (35)
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Tupou Vaa’i (29)
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Sam Darry (2)
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Ethan Blackadder (12)
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Dalton Papali’i (35)
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Ardie Savea (85) (Captain)
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TJ Perenara (83)
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Damian McKenzie (51)
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Caleb Clarke (21)
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Jordie Barrett (61) (Vice Captain)
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Rieko Ioane (72)
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Will Jordan (32)
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Beauden Barrett (127)
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Asafo Aumua (10)
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Ofa Tu’ungafasi (60)
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Fletcher Newell (17)
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Josh Lord (5)
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Sam Cane (95)
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Cortez Ratima (3)
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Anton Lienert-Brown (74)
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Mark Tele’a (12)
Unavailable due to injury: Ethan de Groot (neck). Scott Barrett (finger surgery), Patrick Tuipulotu (calf), Stephen Perofeta (calf), Luke Jacobson (hamstring).
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
To me I think the bigger issue is his decision making.
There was a play on the weekend where he had space and should have simply passed to the winger outside him
Instead he tried to take the tackle whilst offloading inside - which resulted in a turnover
Essentially it was a low % play
It was eerily similar to his play with Narawa in the earlier tests where he makes the low % back flip offload instead of making the smart play and ended up butchering a try.
It creeps up all too often in his game.
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Hope EDG injury isn't to serious, but more than happy with Tamaiti having a start.
TJP ... WTAF ( TJP makes this a very beatable team, Reece was the better than TJP at half last week)
Wouldn't have minded seeing ALB at 12 and Reiko at 13....
Like the CC change too.
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Hope EDG injury isn't to serious, but more than happy with Tamaiti having a start.
TJP ... WTAF ( TJP makes this a very beatable team, Reece was the better than TJP at half last week)
Wouldn't have minded seeing ALB at 12 and Reiko at 13....
Like the CC change too.
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Wouldn't have minded seeing ALB at 12 and Reiko at 13....
Same. For some reason they haven't played much together though
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If we lose this week with that team, there will be a lot of faith lost in these coaches... just doubling down on team Cantab.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
It can only be experience. Theres definitely nothing else
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
It can only be experience. Theres definitely nothing else
If Ratima et al cant get in now, after a loss, against Argentina at home, you would draw the inference that they wouldnt be thrown in against the Boks in their back garden.
So the likes of TJP and Beaudy are here to stay for the foreseeable?
