All Blacks v Argentina II
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Beaudy got massive raps for changing the game against England.
He basically made a line break outside Maro Itoje and inside the oil tanker Freddie Steward who actually had his back to him and was marshalling the outside man.
People were talking like it was Christian Cullen incarnate.
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Chiefs loosies interesting.
JB - Proctor and Ratima- DMac makes sense.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
Chiefs loosies interesting.
JB - Proctor and Ratima- DMac makes sense.The intention was moreso just to have round pegs in round holes.
But I like it even more now that there is a built in cohesion factor.
I wanted Finau to tackle and catch lineouts. Cane to Tackle.
Sititi to carry.Cortez to suck in their D with the odd snipe and buy Damien some time , with quicker ball an added plus.
Grunt at 12. The hot hand at 13.
A ball carrier at 11.
Pace at 15. (For me this is non negotiable).
The status quo is not good enough and something has to change.
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Play like the Blues and half our problems will be solved, and select players who can deliver on that game plan. The problem with NZ rugby is this constant need for mobility, and as a result we ignore our bigger athletes. I wonder if Cunningham-South would have even been considered for the ABs had he remained in NZ. Probably not, they would have said that he's too slow etc. Need a shift in mindset, we need more power athletes going forward.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
Chiefs loosies interesting.
JB - Proctor and Ratima- DMac makes sense.The intention was moreso just to have round pegs in round holes.
But I like it even more now that there is a built in cohesion factor.
I wanted Finau to tackle and catch lineouts. Cane to Tackle.
Sititi to carry.Cortez to suck in their D with the odd snipe and buy Damien some time , with quicker ball an added plus.
Grunt at 12. The hot hand at 13.
A ball carrier at 11.
Pace at 15. (For me this is non negotiable).
The status quo is not good enough and something has to change.
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I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot. -
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
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Foster never lost a rugby championship.
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster never lost a rugby championship.
Something for Razor to work towards then...
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Almost all the Argie points were scored on the back of self inflicted wounds. Poor kicking game and inability to exit, trying to play too wide before establishing a forward platform, trying to play with the ball in dangerous positions. All of these things had a significant impact on the performance of all of the players
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Not what I would do or want more like what I think may happen.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
I have been a fan of Ethan Blackadder but to see him barrelled over by the ball carrier in the incident where he nearly got a yellow was stark.
Cane, Collins, Kaino et al would have emptied that fella, or at least stop him dead in his tracks.
And then it WOULD have been a yellow.
Being a pussy, kept him on the field. Gardner used slightly different words, but... that was what he meant.I've never seen that before from an AB. His lack of physicality in that moment was jarring
You've never seen an All Black bumped off before?
That was forward on forward, but looked like man vs boy
Sebastian Chabal v Ali Williams instantly comes to mind...
So does Denton vs McCaw.
It takes a hard
ZimbabweanScotsman to knock over the GOAT@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina 2:
I have been a fan of Ethan Blackadder but to see him barrelled over by the ball carrier in the incident where he nearly got a yellow was stark.
Cane, Collins, Kaino et al would have emptied that fella, or at least stop him dead in his tracks.
And then it WOULD have been a yellow.
Being a pussy, kept him on the field. Gardner used slightly different words, but... that was what he meant.I've never seen that before from an AB. His lack of physicality in that moment was jarring
You've never seen an All Black bumped off before?
That was forward on forward, but looked like man vs boy
Sebastian Chabal v Ali Williams instantly comes to mind...
So does Denton vs McCaw.
It takes a hard
ZimbabweanScotsman to knock over the GOATNah the Scottish McCaw must have felt patriotic loyalty... An inside job
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Not what I would do or want more like what I think may happen.
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Not what I would do or want more like what I think may happen.
If BB gets move to 10 I'll....
Well, I'll laugh in "well this new era is certainly different aye?"
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Not what I would do or want more like what I think may happen.
If BB gets move to 10 I'll....
Well, I'll laugh in "well this new era is certainly different aye?"
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Not what I would do or want more like what I think may happen.
If BB gets move to 10 I'll....
Well, I'll laugh in "well this new era is certainly different aye?"
Yeah I will just about not want to watch if that happens.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
