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All Blacks v Argentina II

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  • JetJ Offline
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    So many of the answers from Razor are non committal. "bit of both".

    I hope behind the scenes the rhetoric is more direct and there have been a few "Come to Jesus" speeches with the under performers and cozy cartel of incumbents.

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    • Dan54D Offline
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      #531

      Not to concerned with team. Like the changes on wing , Ioane at 13 shrug, no probs. Like the idea of Cane 2 reasons his rock shoulders and leadership at end of game, Williams hope he carries a bit and uses body.

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      • JetJ Offline
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        #532

        Cane confirmed in the interview he was covering 8 if Ardie goes down.

        I mean... I like Cane and we need his starch but Sotutu must be sick as a parrot.

        Ardie (who was in Japan) is being covered by an openside (who was in Japan).

        Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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        • JetJ Jet

          Cane confirmed in the interview he was covering 8 if Ardie goes down.

          I mean... I like Cane and we need his starch but Sotutu must be sick as a parrot.

          Ardie (who was in Japan) is being covered by an openside (who was in Japan).

          Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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          #533

          @Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

          Cane confirmed in the interview he was covering 8 if Ardie goes down.

          I mean I like Cane and we need his starch but Sotutu must be sick as a parrot.

          Oh god, the All Blacks really are going backwards.

          Not only Sotutu, but Sititi, Iose and even Renton must be choking on their cornflakes.

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            #534

            ive never really wanted to a jurno untill now....so many questions i would like to throw at them, actually make the say "yes, we think out of position X is better than super rugby form player Y"

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            • R Offline
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              I just really don't understand. After that performance, our reaction is to change 3 x outside backs. I don't mind those selections per se, but where is the accountability? The only forward change is through injury.
              And if we are committed to this dipshit loose forward policy, then why did they pick Finau at all? Do they genuinely think he covers lock?
              Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management.

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                #536

                So my take on the changes in the backs points to quite a different style of play. Telea and Reece probably aren't a great pairing in that they spend a lot of time not on the wing - in particular at the back of a ruck. Clarke does it a bit, but not nearly so much and Jordan tends to inject himself one/two out. Bring on the pick n go winger when the defence is tired and out of shape makes more sense. Rieko and Jordie to actually run hard and straight to tire out said defence, the sweet feet midfielder on again when the defence isn't fresh.

                I'm far from convinced Jordan offers anything more under the high ball though.

                The selection of the loosies, which Razor is solely responsible for? Fuck a duck, he's trolling.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  So my take on the changes in the backs points to quite a different style of play. Telea and Reece probably aren't a great pairing in that they spend a lot of time not on the wing - in particular at the back of a ruck. Clarke does it a bit, but not nearly so much and Jordan tends to inject himself one/two out. Bring on the pick n go winger when the defence is tired and out of shape makes more sense. Rieko and Jordie to actually run hard and straight to tire out said defence, the sweet feet midfielder on again when the defence isn't fresh.

                  I'm far from convinced Jordan offers anything more under the high ball though.

                  The selection of the loosies, which Razor is solely responsible for? Fuck a duck, he's trolling.

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                  @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  So my take on the changes in the backs points to quite a different style of play. Telea and Reece probably aren't a great pairing in that they spend a lot of time not on the wing - in particular at the back of a ruck. Clarke does it a bit, but not nearly so much and Jordan tends to inject himself one/two out. Bring on the pick n go winger when the defence is tired and out of shape makes more sense. Rieko and Jordie to actually run hard and straight to tire out said defence, the sweet feet midfielder on again when the defence isn't fresh.

                  I'm far from convinced Jordan offers anything more under the high ball though.

                  The selection of the loosies, which Razor is solely responsible for? Fuck a duck, he's trolling.

                  I really don't get that midfield selection, both of those guys are horribly out of form. I guess banking on out of form players to get the ABs out of a form slump is a great strategy.

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                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                    @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    So my take on the changes in the backs points to quite a different style of play. Telea and Reece probably aren't a great pairing in that they spend a lot of time not on the wing - in particular at the back of a ruck. Clarke does it a bit, but not nearly so much and Jordan tends to inject himself one/two out. Bring on the pick n go winger when the defence is tired and out of shape makes more sense. Rieko and Jordie to actually run hard and straight to tire out said defence, the sweet feet midfielder on again when the defence isn't fresh.

                    I'm far from convinced Jordan offers anything more under the high ball though.

                    The selection of the loosies, which Razor is solely responsible for? Fuck a duck, he's trolling.

                    I really don't get that midfield selection, both of those guys are horribly out of form. I guess banking on out of form players to get the ABs out of a form slump is a great strategy.

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                    @Canes4life I don't think either are playing horrible, something's just not clicking. Hopefully it'll click? Might be easier with wingers running lines off you rather than fucking about at the breakdown.

                    And if one is actually playing horrible then hook him for the form midfielder.

                    It is, however, an absolute piss take that Finau, Proctor, can't squeeze their way into a 23.

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                      #539

                      This has the interview with Robertson posted earlier but also interviews with Cane, Williams & Ioane

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                        All provincial bias aside.

                        There are 4 guys in the 23 who either just came back from Japan or are heading there shortly. Another one is off to Leinster after the EOYT.

                        Form players from super rugby like Sititi, Sotutu, Ratima, Love , Proctor, Akira, Lakai etc all have cases to be made that they have been hard done by from their respective fans.

                        They have trotted out two rizla paper wins against England and a horror show last week.

                        It doesn’t feel like a meritocracy.

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                          I just really don't understand. After that performance, our reaction is to change 3 x outside backs. I don't mind those selections per se, but where is the accountability? The only forward change is through injury.
                          And if we are committed to this dipshit loose forward policy, then why did they pick Finau at all? Do they genuinely think he covers lock?
                          Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management.

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                          @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                          Who?

                          Finau has not lost a test yet.

                          Sititi?

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                          • boobooB booboo

                            @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                            Who?

                            Finau has not lost a test yet.

                            Sititi?

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                            @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                            Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                            Who?

                            There's only two guys dropped! Surely you can figure that out?

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                            • BonesB Bones

                              @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                              Who?

                              There's only two guys dropped! Surely you can figure that out?

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                              #543

                              @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                              Who?

                              There's only two guys dropped! Surely you can figure that out?

                              Telea or Reece?

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                              • boobooB booboo

                                @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                                Who?

                                There's only two guys dropped! Surely you can figure that out?

                                Telea or Reece?

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                                #544

                                @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                Also: way to take a very young guy, throw him in late to a losing side out of position and then drop him. Great management

                                Who?

                                There's only two guys dropped! Surely you can figure that out?

                                Telea or Reece?

                                Telea is on the bench.

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                                • Dan54D Offline
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                                  #545

                                  Reece was named by Ryan as doing something dumb and was subbed off straight after halftime last week, so was always missing out.

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                                    #546

                                    Both Rugby Championship games this weekend are looking to be wet weather games.

                                    Perhaps more scrums this week

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                                    • No QuarterN Offline
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                                      No Quarter
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                                      #547

                                      The management of Finau and Sititi has been absolutely awful to date. What the hell were they thinking putting Sititi on at 6 in a test we were battling in. He's a rookie and doesn't normally play there. That's one of the dumbest substitutions I can think of in AB history, and just to top it off they drop him after he completely unsurprisingly didn't go very well just to fuck with his confidence.

                                      Picking Finau and Sititi and leaving out Akira and Sotutu was always a huge risk for those two young players, they really should be learning their trade in the squad and from the bench (in their preferred positions!). I was concerned their confidence would get ruined, and that is coming to pass with the way they are being managed. The coaches desperation to not pick the Blues boys is not only hurting us on the field, it is fucking around with the form and confidence of two players that we hope will be mainstays in the black jersey down the track.

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                                        Maybe that is slightly better than last week's side. But I'm hardly filled with confidence.

                                        A great chance for Argentina to notch up a second consecutive away win against the ABs.

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                                          Maybe that is slightly better than last week's side. But I'm hardly filled with confidence.

                                          A great chance for Argentina to notch up a second consecutive away win against the ABs.

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                                          @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                          Maybe that is slightly better than last week's side. But I'm hardly filled with confidence.

                                          A great chance for Argentina to notch up a second consecutive away win against the ABs.

                                          If that happens then you really do have problems

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