All Blacks v Argentina II
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Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
I'm starting to run out of patience with Mckenzie. I was a fan but he's really struggled in a number of facets at 10.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
I'm starting to run out of patience with Mckenzie. I was a fan but he's really struggled in a number of facets at 10.
Matfield was on about Cullen in that video.
I see Will Jordan as the closest modern day version we have. He is something to be fearful of. We need him in the backfield. Forget about comms, and playmaking. That will come with time in the saddle. We need his legs back there.
Every new test season in years gone by we unleashed a Rocokoko, a Sivivatu, an Aaron Smith. We always trusted upcoming talent and the effervescence of youth.
I think latter day Hansen, Foster and now Razor are conservative. Scared. The stakes are too high.
You could throw in a Toeava back in the day and get away with it.
They need to be bolder.
Do we have the cattle of yesteryear....no.
But its no reason to be cowards either.
Give the other teams something to worry about. Fresh problems to solve.
We are predictable.
We need Roigard at 9 and Jordan at 15 between now and next RWC based on the current playing pool. They are our points of difference.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
Yeah, nah
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In terms of power, mass x velocity they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
Neither of those guys are as big or fast as Rieko or Clarke.
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Neither of those guys are as big or fast as Rieko or Clarke.
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Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
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Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
I alluded to it in a previous post a few days back.
When you are lining up for the haka and you are looking across at Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Even when we used to lose a game the opposition had a tough day at the office.
Not so much now. We are a nice bunch of lads. Picking opponents up off the turf. Media trained to the nines. Nice skin fades. Nice boots. Sanitised.
I sound Jurassic but it's true.
There are no nasty bastards in the team.
All fur coat and no knickers.
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@Dan54 Just a front page article by NZ Herald several weeks later, on game day, with an investigation into the cost of uber options to the airport, but no background as to what actually happened. Superb journalism at its finest, thanks to the investment of Silver Lake in bringing the AB's to the global audience.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
I alluded to it in a previous post a few days back.
When you are lining up for the haka and you are looking across at Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Even when we used to lose a game the opposition had a tough day at the office.
Not so much now. We are a nice bunch of lads. Picking opponents up off the turf. Media trained to the nines. Nice skin fades. Nice boots. Sanitised.
I sound Jurassic but it's true.
There are no nasty bastards in the team.
All fur coat and no knickers.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
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Essentially, we are seeing that Joe Schmidt is a better international coach than Razor is after 4 games in Charge.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Essentially, we are seeing that Joe Schmidt is a better international coach than Razor is after 4 games in Charge.
It's early. Joe has runs on the board. Razor has to show he can make the step up. Interesting times
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Forecast looks rubbish...
30km/h northerly wind and rain....Probably going to be messy
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Forecast looks rubbish...
30km/h northerly wind and rain....Probably going to be messy
This weather is perfect for direct forward play, and a controlled performance from 10 with effective kicking for territory
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
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So 30 years of Eden Park results on the line tonight. I still remember the "Time to unplug the Mains" headline in one of the Sunday rags after the last one. Surely the All Black forwards can't be that mud two weeks in a row. Surely...
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So 30 years of Eden Park results on the line tonight. I still remember the "Time to unplug the Mains" headline in one of the Sunday rags after the last one. Surely the All Black forwards can't be that mud two weeks in a row. Surely...
They tease us with 10 minutes of "what could be" last week. If we play direct.win the collisions and clean well, we will win and win well
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Fourie ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
Here's Warburton's for what it's worth. Hang it in the fucking Louvre.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
DC was the unicorn. He could run, he could dictate play, he could kick and pass, he could tackle. He is the GOAT 10 and we have to accept that his kind don't grow on trees. BB, RM and DM can't do all the things DC did. We have to work out what we value and what areas we are prepared to sacrifice when talking about the current crop
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
Nobody got change going down his channel.
GOAT
